Next Year Compared to This Year

[sjt18]

Everybody knows the way to win...Change the coaches every year or two...That always works.

How about NOT being an idiot by exaggerating the words of other people, OK? I'm not sure I have interacted with you so I am sorry for being so harsh to you personally but the hyperbole and strawmen are getting VERY tiring from folks like you. If you can't make honest comments then that says a lot about the position you are trying to defend.

The only way you can get rid of a coach after 1 or 2 years is if they violate the rules or do something illegal/immoral. You have to give them 3. But look around at the teams that finally came out of a funk like UT is in. How long did they keep coaches who did not win? Usually they last about 3 years because in that amount of time they have the opportunity to build a roster and to prove they can coach.

You keep a coach who is say17-19 after 3 years... you start backing up and especially if you are as dependent on out of state talent as UT is.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

Since at this juncture we don't know which players are "coming in" how can one project the season?? Until they sign LOIs or scholarship papers not sure you can count on them being here.

For example, if Lambert flips to Auburn that is one player that might make the difference in one game. they happen to not get any of the Juco players signed that is very significant loss..

There's already a list of early enrollees that have signed. It includes Malone, Hurd, Helm, Wolf, 3 of the 4 offensive linemen, and a couple of others. That doesn't even include some if the other recruits that are expected to enroll early as well. We'll be fine.

 

[GBOVOLS]

Outside of RB I don't see any Freshman starting on any side of ball. That's the fans who deem freshman starters before getting on campus. Of our LBs one will be sophomore, Our DB's will be mostly upperclassmen, and our DL upperclassmen. On offense outside of Hurd and Malone everyone won't be freshman.

 

[CountVolcula]

There's already a list of early enrollees that have signed. It includes Malone, Hurd, Helm, Wolf, 3 of the 4 offensive linemen, and a couple of others. That doesn't even include some if the other recruits that are expected to enroll early as well. We'll be fine.

LWS is connected

He talks, you listen

 

[Smokeybluetick]

Yep. The interesting thing about excuse making is that there's always one to be made.

realist! :the_finger:

 

[RWB427]

Different players, same results

We wont begin to be good until this class is Juniors

I agree with you but I hope we see improvement next year and a huge step forward their sophmore year. With that said I think we should expect big things their junior year.

 

[golf437]

Next year we will hear..."You CAN'T expect to win playing ALL these FRESHMAN!"

And the wheels on the bus go round and round...

You can expect post like this.

 

[CountVolcula]

I agree with you but I hope we see improvement next year and a huge step forward their sophmore year. With that said I think we should expect big things their junior year.

With good coaching, we should win a game we shouldn't

We have Florida at home and that is the one I see us winning

That would set us up for making a bowl game

 

[Rockytoptalker]

Outside of RB I don't see any Freshman starting on any side of ball. That's the fans who deem freshman starters before getting on campus. Of our LBs one will be sophomore, Our DB's will be mostly upperclassmen, and our DL upperclassmen. On offense outside of Hurd and Malone everyone won't be freshman.

All of the o-line will be newcomers, so there's potential that a freshman might start. On defense Bates could potentially start and I wouldn't be surprised if TK takes McNeil's spot.

 

[Smokeybluetick]

BTW, Jones won't have the gift of a legacy class every year. He better take that good fortune and run with it....

:lolabove:

He already has a nice start on 2015 and a commit for 2016. Your constant whining rant is as old and tired as the basketball haters,just gtfo if your not enjoying the VOLS! GBO dispite some ignorant fans!!!!

 

[sjt18]

Instate talent is on the rise as there are two 5 stars this year in Tennessee and CBJ has landed them both. And 6 or 7 of the top 8 players in state.

That IS good and I do think the instate HSFB is improving. But Tn has had that many 4/5* players before. It runs in cycles. You need to see several years of consistently more before saying it has risen.

There may not be 25 4/5*'s at the moment, but sooner rather than later there will be if the current trend continues.

It isn't a trend yet.

So far CBJ has had no trouble with out of state recruiting, even after a mediocre season... The guy knows how to recruit no matter the situation... And personally I think we'll continue to build on this year's class with more just as solid. After all, we already have a top 5 class for 2015.

Right now he's selling a dream. He can do that. In two more years he has to start dealing with reality. If he has a losing record and is on a hot seat in a couple of years... then he can no longer do that. No one can.

I believe his ability to recruit top notch players will equate to success on the field, but not immidiately. I don't expect too much next year, but I do think we'll win at least 7-8 games in 2016.

If it takes him that long to get to 7 or 8 wins then he ain't the guy to bring championships back to UT. If your goal is to be a 2nd tier team "hoping" to make a bowl game each year then I guess we just don't have the same hopes and expectations.

But even if that doesn't happen, getting him fired, having to pay him and his staff's buyouts, and starting all over again does not sound like it will equate to immidiate success either.

So staying on a dead end road is better than realizing you are on a dead end road and changing direction? If he cannot get it done in 3 or 4 years then just like with Dooley... the lost revenues will justify the buyouts. Just DON'T give extensions on the buyout terms until the prove they can win.

We've tried it 3 times the past couple of years, and it hasn't worked out too well... Give the man time.

He gets time. He gets 3 years to prove he can coach. That is very reasonable AND it is what is best for the program if he can't prove himself in that amount of time. The risks of keeping someone who isn't a winner is greater than the risk of potentially firing someone who might win give 5+ years. MOST great coaches improve the W/L record in their first year at a new job. Virtually all have turned things around within 3 years.

 

[sjt18]

:lolabove:

He already has a nice start on 2015 and a commit for 2016. Your constant whining rant is as old and tired as the basketball haters,just gtfo if your not enjoying the VOLS! GBO dispite some ignorant fans!!!!

You do realize that if he doesn't start coaching better it will become MUCH easier for opposing coaches to make those '15 and '16 commits reconsider, right?

"Whining rant"? I point to facts... and that's what you have to say?

Winning is the key to him surviving. Absent winning he better at some point prove he can coach a team to a better record than the sum of its talent. Unless you are satisfied with 5 to 7 wins per year and Vandy status...

 

[Rockytoptalker]

That IS good and I do think the instate HSFB is improving. But Tn has had that many 4/5* players before. It runs in cycles. You need to see several years of consistently more before saying it has risen.

It isn't a trend yet.

Right now he's selling a dream. He can do that. In two more years he has to start dealing with reality. If he has a losing record and is on a hot seat in a couple of years... then he can no longer do that. No one can.

If it takes him that long to get to 7 or 8 wins then he ain't the guy to bring championships back to UT. If your goal is to be a 2nd tier team "hoping" to make a bowl game each year then I guess we just don't have the same hopes and expectations.

So staying on a dead end road is better than realizing you are on a dead end road and changing direction? If he cannot get it done in 3 or 4 years then just like with Dooley... the lost revenues will justify the buyouts. Just DON'T give extensions on the buyout terms until the prove they can win.



He gets time. He gets 3 years to prove he can coach. That is very reasonable AND it is what is best for the program if he can't prove himself in that amount of time. The risks of keeping someone who isn't a winner is greater than the risk of potentially firing someone who might win give 5+ years. MOST great coaches improve the W/L record in their first year at a new job. Virtually all have turned things around within 3 years.

So would you rather have an 8 win season in 2 years or swap coaches AGAIN due to CBJ and co. not living up to unrealistic expectations? We'll have to respectfully disagree... No coach is going to want to come to a school where they'll never be given enough time to build it back up.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

The University of Tennessee, where coaches come to die.

 

[CountVolcula]

The University of Tennessee, where coaches come to die.

And get rich

 

[sjt18]

So would you rather have an 8 win season in 2 years or swap coaches AGAIN due to CBJ and co. not living up to unrealistic expectations?

If expecting a coach to show he can win within 3 years is "unrealistic expectations"... then can you explain why Dooley was fired? Why wasn't he given all that time you say is "realistic" for Jones? If Jones truly is a better coach then shouldn't it take him less time to prove himself and not more?

His JUCO's, Jr's, and Sophs will make up the bulk of the '15 roster. His players... developed by him for at least two years. If he cannot be competitive with that then he more than likely won't be regardless of how much time you give him.

I truly hope he gets it done. I like the cycle no more than any of you... but I am realistic about it and what it takes to get off of it.

We'll have to respectfully disagree... No coach is going to want to come to a school where they'll never be given enough time to build it back up.

That is not true. We've seen it at ND, Bama, UGA, UF, LSU, Vandy, UK, USCe, UNC, NCSU,... it is the rule rather than the exception. Generally speaking, coaches who go longer than 3 or 4 years without winning harm their programs.

 

[sjt18]

BTW, Jones is realistic about this as well. He knows he doesn't have an indefinite amount of time before the talk and recruiting has to turn into wins on the field. You could see it in his comments and appearance after the Vandy loss. He knew that was a big deal.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

And get rich

Haha very true as well. Dooley is currently swimming in a large pool of cash as we speak.

 

[newandbetter]

No. Next year all we will hear is excuses about depth and youth. It will be year three before most of you will be willing to question the quality of coaching.

Do you ever have anything positive to say? Seriously, do you EVER post ANYTHING positive?

I understand your point on a lot of your gripes, but at least post something that's not a complaint every now and then. Please!

 

[Rockytoptalker]

If expecting a coach to show he can win within 3 years is "unrealistic expectations"... then can you explain why Dooley was fired? Why wasn't he given all that time you say is "realistic" for Jones? If Jones truly is a better coach then shouldn't it take him less time to prove himself and not more?

His JUCO's, Jr's, and Sophs will make up the bulk of the '15 roster. His players... developed by him for at least two years. If he cannot be competitive with that then he more than likely won't be regardless of how much time you give him.

I truly hope he gets it done. I like the cycle no more than any of you... but I am realistic about it and what it takes to get off of it.



That is not true. We've seen it at ND, Bama, UGA, UF, LSU, Vandy, UK, USCe, UNC, NCSU,... it is the rule rather than the exception. Generally speaking, coaches who go longer than 3 or 4 years without winning harm their programs.

Dooley ruined UT's relationship with high school coaches across the state as well never have a winning record. Butch is building for the future, Dooley was turning it into a train wreck.

 

[butchna]

No. Next year all we will hear is excuses about depth and youth. It will be year three before most of you will be willing to question the quality of coaching.

We'll have you STANDING ON THAT WALL calling for Butch's head if he loses to Bama
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[LWSVOL]

There's already a list of early enrollees that have signed. It includes Malone, Hurd, Helm, Wolf, 3 of the 4 offensive linemen, and a couple of others. That doesn't even include some if the other recruits that are expected to enroll early as well. We'll be fine.

no early entry player has been determined yet. there are several that plan to be EE but until they get final grades this month it won't be for certain.

Patterson was going to be an early entry also. He ended up barely getting admitted in July

when they enroll in January is when the EE players will be known

 

[Rockytoptalker]

no early entry player has been determined yet. there are several that plan to be EE but until they get final grades this month it won't be for certain.

Patterson was going to be an early entry also. He ended up barely getting admitted in July

I saw some that were "confirmed" early enrollees. I assumed it meant they were all set and ready to go.

 

[tallyho]

4-8 or 5-7 seems right.

Could be right on...we drop APSU and WKU and pick up Utah St and Ark St. Both bowl teams this year. We loose Oregon but pick up Oklahoma away. Then we have the usual SEC east schedule. Florida at home has to be a win this year. We also loose Auburn but pick up Ole Miss there. Besides the Gators at home we also have Bama, Mizzou and Kentucky. UGA, SC and Vandy on road. Hard to picture five wins from that schedule.

 

[LWSVOL]

I saw some that were "confirmed" early enrollees. I assumed it meant they were all set and ready to go.

someone assumed that because they signed the FAAs. All that document does is guarantees them a scholarship once they enroll.

I believe several will get in but as Patterson proved, you can never be certain. the kids always say they will get in early but until grades come out, unknown IMO