NFL Draft Thread

#952
#952
Also the Colts D played much of the season without Bob Sanders. They played great in the playoffs amd can find a smaller speedy lb later just as easliy as a wr.
 
#953
#953
JZVOL said:
They have three options for PM to throw to before the pick. I will go with history as they are not many 35 year ols wrs that can hold up over the entire season and playoffs. MH was almost a non-factor in the playoffs. The Colts use small speedy wrs and Gonzalez is a perfect fit.

Dungy and Polian are masters at finding guys later in the draft to plug in the defense.
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Marvin Harrison is never a factor in the playoffs. He's still one of the best WRs in the NFL. When Harrison is being double covered, Manning just finds, Wayne, Clark, Utecht, Addai, or somebody freaking else. That offense is always going to be fine. They need help on defense, where injuries have really hurt them recently. The most significant injury they've had on offense lately was Brandon Stokely. That didn't slow the Colts down at all.
 
#954
#954
JZVOL said:
They have three options for PM to throw to before the pick. I will go with history as they are not many 35 year ols wrs that can hold up over the entire season and playoffs. MH was almost a non-factor in the playoffs. The Colts use small speedy wrs and Gonzalez is a perfect fit.

Dungy and Polian are masters at finding guys later in the draft to plug in the defense.
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Point taken, but they have never lost as much on the defensive side of the ball as they did this offseason. I would roll the dice with Peyton Manning throwing to even a scrub 3rd rounder over a scrub 2nd rounder on defense.
 
#955
#955
JZVOL said:
Also the Colts D played much of the season without Bob Sanders. They played great in the playoffs amd can find a smaller speedy lb later just as easliy as a wr.
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I thought Dungy was a master of finding guys to plug in? Why did they suck so badly when one guy went down? They need help on defense. You're making my point for me. Even if Marvin Harrison went down, the Colts would still be adequate on offense. They are really close to be horrible on defense.
 
#956
#956
The Dude said:
Point taken, but they have never lost as much on the defensive side of the ball as they did this offseason. I would roll the dice with Peyton Manning throwing to even a scrub 3rd rounder over a scrub 2nd rounder on defense.
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Exactly.
 
#958
#958
kptvol said:
Marvin Harrison is never a factor in the playoffs. He's still one of the best WRs in the NFL. When Harrison is being double covered, Manning just finds, Wayne, Clark, Utecht, Addai, or somebody freaking else. That offense is always going to be fine. They need help on defense, where injuries have really hurt them recently. The most significant injury they've had on offense lately was Brandon Stokely. That didn't slow the Colts down at all.
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Look at the playoffs. The Colts offense was not good. PM made plays when he had to. In the long term, depending guys like Fletcher, Moorehead and Addai recieving when the Colts don't have a good rb to take the load off of him will get you beat. The Colts D won them the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The Pats offense was fine to until the playoffs when they needed more options at wr and had none which is why they upgraded. Deepending on below avg. guys to step up over the long haul will get you beat.
 
#959
#959
kptvol said:
I thought Dungy was a master of finding guys to plug in? Why did they suck so badly when one guy went down? They need help on defense. You're making my point for me. Even if Marvin Harrison went down, the Colts would still be adequate on offense. They are really close to be horrible on defense.
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Well for one you didn't say they should draft another safety.

You are crazy if you think the Colts would be fine replacing a hall of famer with Aaron Moorehead. You made my point for me.

I agree they need help on D. They obviously have a plan.

And I said Dungy is great at finding guys later in the DRAFT not in the middle of the season.

Hmm, Colts just traded up, maybe that is the plan I was talking about?????
 
#960
#960
next six picks, in order.

Harris to Colts
Edwards to Lions
Khalil to Panthers
Wright to Steelers
Jarrett to GB
Rice to Jax
 
#963
#963
JZVOL said:
Look at the playoffs. The Colts offense was not good. PM made plays when he had to. In the long term, depending guys like Fletcher, Moorehead and Addai recieving when the Colts don't have a good rb to take the load off of him will get you beat. The Colts D won them the 1st and 2nd rounds.

The Pats offense was fine to until the playoffs when they needed more options at wr and had none which is why they upgraded. Deepending on below avg. guys to step up over the long haul will get you beat.
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You can't compare the Colt's situation at WR and the Pats. Wayne will be 'go to' for at least a few more years, in my opinion. They are picked just now at 42 and Jarrett was available and Gonzalez may have been available.
 
#964
#964
The Dude said:
You can't compare the Colt's situation at WR and the Pats. Wayne will be 'go to' for at least a few more years, in my opinion. They are picked just now at 42 and Jarrett was available and Gonzalez may have been available.
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I agree with you for the most part but Wayne is a great #2, without MH he wouldn't be as good.

Jarrett doesn't fit their system though.
 
#965
#965
JZVOL said:
I agree with you for the most part but Wayne is a great #2, without MH he wouldn't be as good.

Jarrett doesn't fit their system though.
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...Steve Smith, Sidney Rice.

They should have selected, imo, Branch, then Gonzalez (if still there), Jarrett, Smith, or Rice.

Edit: they may should have devoted both of those to defensive players.
 
#966
#966
JZVOL said:
Well for one you didn't say they should draft another safety.
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They don't need another safety. They need another player that can stop the run. The fact that Sanders is relied on so much for that task tells me the front 7 isn't good enough.
 
#969
#969
Just got back and the surprises keep coming.

Somehow, against all the odds, I went 4 years and completely missed the fact that there was an offensive lineman at Arkansas named "Ugoh".
 
#975
#975
kptvol said:
They don't need another safety. They need another player that can stop the run. The fact that Sanders is relied on so much for that task tells me the front 7 isn't good enough.
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Bob Sanders is the Colts Troy Palamalu (sp?) The Colts front 7 isn't great but Sanders is the key to the defense and you can't replace him.

They obviously need help in the front 7 but they know that and they have to have a plan- hopefully.
 
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