NFL rookie's decision to retire another sign football is doomed

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Vol8188 said:
The average career is 3-4 years. So I have a hard saying these guys are retiring early like you claim.
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The average career is 3-4 years because a bunch of guys just aren't good enough to stick around. He's clearly talking about the guys who have the talent to play a decade+, leaving before they turn 30, like Borland.
 
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crusse10 said:
The average career is 3-4 years because a bunch of guys just aren't good enough to stick around. He's clearly talking about the guys who have the talent to play a decade+, leaving before they turn 30, like Borland.
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Outside of Borland, who falls into that category?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Outside of Borland, who falls into that category?
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You just had Patrick Willis retire. He was 1st team All Pro 5 times out of 8 seasons and he called it quits
(he JUST hit 30, but still clearly counts)
 
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crusse10 said:
You just had Patrick Willis retire. He was 1st team All Pro 5 times out of 8 seasons and he called it quits
(he JUST hit 30, but still clearly counts)
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I have a hard time calling that retiring early. Plenty of guys walk away that could still play. Elway being a great example. But theres no obvious trend or anything else like what is being implied.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I have a hard time calling that retiring early. Plenty of guys walk away that could still play. Elway being a great example. But theres no obvious trend or anything else like what is being implied.
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I still think that if football sees a decline, it's more because current parents will either make football off limits or actively steer their children toward other sports. I know if I have a boy, I'm gonna focus more on baseball. There is still risk, but nowhere near as much as football.
 
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crusse10 said:
I still think that if football sees a decline, it's more because current parents will either make football off limits or actively steer their children toward other sports. I know if I have a boy, I'm gonna focus more on baseball. There is still risk, but nowhere near as much as football.
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What risk? I have never seen a study claiming that youth football players have high risk of brain injury.

Some parents won't allow their kids to play football. Others will allow their kids to be kids. That's nothing new.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What risk? I have never seen a study claiming that youth football players have high risk of brain injury.

Some parents won't allow their kids to play football. Others will allow their kids to be kids. That's nothing new.
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The risk is a down-the-line thing. If you consciously steer your children toward sports that have less risk of brain injury, then if they, by some stroke of luck, become good enough to play in college and after, the injuries they get will be physical instead of mental.

It's possible to allow kids to be kids while doing what you can to ensure they don't sustain life-altering mental injuries
 
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he retired for health reasons, players do this whenever something gives out. we may see more of it in the future, but as guys retire early and start paying more attention it will level out "how bad the concussion issue is". guy retires after his third concussion so he never gets as bad as a fifth concussion. I think we will see a leveling out, more guys leaving but less of the really bad cases. so no panic
 
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LouderVol said:
he retired for health reasons, players do this whenever something gives out. we may see more of it in the future, but as guys retire early and start paying more attention it will level out "how bad the concussion issue is". guy retires after his third concussion so he never gets as bad as a fifth concussion. I think we will see a leveling out, more guys leaving but less of the really bad cases. so no panic
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concussion #3 happens before players even leave college
 
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crusse10 said:
The risk is a down-the-line thing. If you consciously steer your children toward sports that have less risk of brain injury, then if they, by some stroke of luck, become good enough to play in college and after, the injuries they get will be physical instead of mental.

It's possible to allow kids to be kids while doing what you can to ensure they don't sustain life-altering mental injuries
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And like I said, I've seen 0 studies claiming that youth football players are at risk of brain injury. So there's 0 reason to steer your child away from football.

Is there risk at the collegiate and professional level? Absolutely. But many of the studies done are poor at best. They wait until an athlete dies and then examine his brain and say "o wow, look all the damage". Yet, they can't say for a fact that all of it was due to football. A brain injury can occur from riding a bike, driving a car, tripping, fist fights, plenty of things could have caused that damage.

You're also making the assumption that not only will your child play collegiate ball (unlikely) but that equipment will be the same then as it is today. I highly doubt that. And I do look forward to them performing these same examinations on people who played football from 2000-today. Because many of the current autopsies done were on people who played in the 70s and 80. Back when coaches were teaching players to spear each other when they tackled, and when helmets weren't half as good as they are now.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And like I said, I've seen 0 studies claiming that youth football players are at risk of brain injury. So there's 0 reason to steer your child away from football.

Is there risk at the collegiate and professional level? Absolutely. But many of the studies done are poor at best. They wait until an athlete dies and then examine his brain and say "o wow, look all the damage". Yet, they can't say for a fact that all of it was due to football. A brain injury can occur from riding a bike, driving a car, tripping, fist fights, plenty of things could have caused that damage.

You're also making the assumption that not only will your child play collegiate ball (unlikely) but that equipment will be the same then as it is today. I highly doubt that. And I do look forward to them performing these same examinations on people who played football from 2000-today. Because many of the current autopsies done were on people who played in the 70s and 80. Back when coaches were teaching players to spear each other when they tackled, and when helmets weren't half as good as they are now.
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Ex-NFL players who played tackle football in youth more likely to have thinking, memory problems - ESPN

Football findings suggest concussions caused by series of hits



The researchers have expanded the study to include an additional high school football team and girls' soccer.

"We want to increase the number of football players in the study and also include soccer to study athletes who don't wear head protection," Nauman said. "We also want to include girls to see whether they are affected differently than boys."

The research findings represent a dilemma because they suggest athletes may suffer a form of injury that is difficult to diagnose.

"This might be especially important in young people because the brain is still developing, so even though subtle unexpressed damage doesn't manifest as a concussion it could affect the brain later in life," Gilger said.
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Nerd-Vol said:
Ex-NFL players who played tackle football in youth more likely to have thinking, memory problems - ESPN

Football findings suggest concussions caused by series of hits
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1. 42 players is not a very impressive sample size.

2. The guys who were the oldest in this survey played youth football in the 1950s (both equipment and coaching were horrible).

3. We are ignoring all other trama they ever received and trying to blame youth football without any real evidence. It's a complete witch hunt.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And like I said, I've seen 0 studies claiming that youth football players are at risk of brain injury. So there's 0 reason to steer your child away from football.

Is there risk at the collegiate and professional level? Absolutely. But many of the studies done are poor at best. They wait until an athlete dies and then examine his brain and say "o wow, look all the damage". Yet, they can't say for a fact that all of it was due to football. A brain injury can occur from riding a bike, driving a car, tripping, fist fights, plenty of things could have caused that damage.

You're also making the assumption that not only will your child play collegiate ball (unlikely) but that equipment will be the same then as it is today. I highly doubt that. And I do look forward to them performing these same examinations on people who played football from 2000-today. Because many of the current autopsies done were on people who played in the 70s and 80. Back when coaches were teaching players to spear each other when they tackled, and when helmets weren't half as good as they are now.
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First of all, you're completely missing my point. Steering them away from football early stops them from playing it later, which all but eliminates high school brain injuries. Injuries to a developing brain have to be worse than injuries to a fully-developed brain.

As for the last part, that's the point. You have to assume that it's POSSIBLE for them to be good enough at the sport they're playing to at least play college. Based on that, you're talking 8 years of a sport if they only start in high school. The way you're talking, they're starting this sport at 8 years old. Now the kid has played 15 years. I'd rather my future child plays 15 years of a sport with a low risk of brain injuries instead of the sport where not getting concussed is the exception
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. 42 players is not a very impressive sample size.

2. The guys who were the oldest in this survey played youth football in the 1950s (both equipment and coaching were horrible).

3. We are ignoring all other trama they ever received and trying to blame youth football without any real evidence. It's a complete witch hunt.
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You keep saying I'm against YOUTH football, when really I'm more against my child starting in youth football before moving on to high school and beyond, where the real problems arise
 
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crusse10 said:
You keep saying I'm against YOUTH football, when really I'm more against my child starting in youth football before moving on to high school and beyond, where the real problems arise
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Did you play football? If so, how many concussions did you have?
 
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crusse10 said:
do you really think that a player who plays 4 years of high school and 4 years of college has less than 3 concussions in 8 years?
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Yes. The majority of high school players never have a concussion
 
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Stats on Concussions </br> & Sports - Head Case - Complete Concussion Managements
High school football accounts for 47 percent of all reported sports concussions, with 33 percent of concussions occurring during practice. After football, ice hockey and soccer pose the most significant head health risk.
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Sports Concussion Statistics:

3,800,000 concussions reported in 2012, double what was reported in 2002
33% of all sports concussions happen at practice
39% -- the amount by which cumulative concussions are shown to increase catastrophic head injury leading to permanent neurologic disability
47% of all reported sports concussions occur during high school football
1 in 5 high school athletes will sustain a sports concussion during the season
33% of high school athletes who have a sports concussion report two or more in the same year
4 to 5 million concussions occur annually, with rising numbers among middle school athletes
90% of most diagnosed concussions do not involve a loss of consciousness
An estimated 5.3 million Americans live with a traumatic brain injury-related disability (CDC)
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Concussion Facts | Sports Concussion Institute

Does age play a role in Concussion management?

There are distinct differences in age when it comes to managing sport related concussions. Recent research demonstrates that high school athletes not only take longer to recover after a concussion when compared to collegiate or professional athletes, but they also may experience greater severity of symptoms and more neurological disturbances as measured by neuropsychological and postural stability tests. It is also estimated that 53% of high school athletes have sustained a concussion before participation in high school sports, and 36% of collegiate athletes have a history of multiple concussions. Because the frontal lobes of the human brain continue to develop until age 25, it is vital to manage youth concussions very conservatively to ensure optimal neurological development and outcomes.
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The largest contributor to concussions is piss poor technique coaching. For years kids have learned through watching the NFL/College that the big crushing hit is what they should strive for. That's BS!

Kids need to be taught proper form tackling at an early age and have it reinforced at every level. If kids hit with the head up, lead with the shoulder and for petes sake wrap up, we'd see less concussions at all levels of football.
 
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