NFL rookie's decision to retire another sign football is doomed

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Vol8188 said:
Why are you so convinced your kid will be an NFL starter if you allow them to play on the youth team?
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All I'm saying is that if I'm going to focus my child toward a sport, I'm not going to push him toward one where brain injury is a great risk. If I'm lucky enough to have a child that gets to the pros, which I most likely won't, I don't want the rest of his life to be miserable because I didn't look out for him when I had the ability to do so
 
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crusse10 said:
All I'm saying is that if I'm going to focus my child toward a sport, I'm not going to push him toward one where brain injury is a great risk. If I'm lucky enough to have a child that gets to the pros, which I most likely won't, I don't want the rest of his life to be miserable because I didn't look out for him when I had the ability to do so
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If your son plays in the pros, it was his decision to do so. No one has a gun held to their head when they sign an NFL contract.

And to prevent your kid from enjoying youth football because he may one day make the NFL is simply absurd.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If your son plays in the pros, it was his decision to do so. No one has a gun held to their head when they sign an NFL contract.

And to prevent your kid from enjoying youth football because he may one day make the NFL is simply absurd.
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Choosing to express my love for baseball with my child while he's young, in part because the possibility of brain injuries is lower, is anything but absurd.

And you're right, they just hold the gun to their chests themselves after years of head injuries.
 
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crusse10 said:
Choosing to express my love for baseball with my child while he's young, in part because the possibility of brain injuries is lower, is anything but absurd.

And you're right, they just hold the gun to their chests themselves after years of head injuries.
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1. Let's not pretend like playing baseball prevents your kid from playing football. Which you've already stated your opposition to youth football because he may spend 20 years as a starting qb in the NFL and have 2-3 concussions during that time span.

2. This is just ignorant on your part. Very few NFL players commit suicide, and the ones who have are overly sensationalized by the media.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. Let's not pretend like playing baseball prevents your kid from playing football. Which you've already stated your opposition to youth football because he may spend 20 years as a starting qb in the NFL and have 2-3 concussions during that time span.

2. This is just ignorant on your part. Very few NFL players commit suicide, and the ones who have are overly sensationalized by the media.
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wow
 
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crusse10 said:
wow
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What's wow about that? The media jumps on the story and try's to immediately tie it back to football. It's a witch hunt. There's no correlation.

When's the last time you heard of an NFL suicide? Ive seen nothing to prove NFL players are more likely than anyone else to commit suicide.
 
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Vol8188 said:
What's wow about that? The media jumps on the story and try's to immediately tie it back to football. It's a witch hunt. There's no correlation.

When's the last time you heard of an NFL suicide? Ive seen nothing to prove NFL players are more likely than anyone else to commit suicide.
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It's not a correlation between NFL players and suicide, it's people who develop CTE. Football is a big cause of CTE.
 
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crusse10 said:
It's not a correlation between NFL players and suicide, it's people who develop CTE. Football is a big cause of CTE.
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If so, then there should be a correlation between football and suicide....yet it doesn't exist.

How many NFL players committed suicide this year?
 
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Justin Strzelczyk, 2004, 90mph car crash against the flow of traffic
Terry Long, 2005, drinking antifreeze
Andre Waters, 2006, gunshot to the head
Tom McHale, 2008, drug overdose
Shane Dronett, 2009, gunshot
Dave Duerson, 2011, gunshot to the chest
Ray Easterling, 2012, gunshot
Junior Seau, 2012, gunshot to the chest
Jovan Belcher, 2012, murder suicide, gunshot to the head

All posthumously diagnosed with CTE
 
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There have been 29 suicides in NFL history. So far, 1/3 of them are confirmed CTE cases.
 
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crusse10 said:
Justin Strzelczyk, 2004, 90mph car crash against the flow of traffic
Terry Long, 2005, drinking antifreeze
Andre Waters, 2006, gunshot to the head
Tom McHale, 2008, drug overdose
Shane Dronett, 2009, gunshot
Dave Duerson, 2011, gunshot to the chest
Ray Easterling, 2012, gunshot
Junior Seau, 2012, gunshot to the chest
Jovan Belcher, 2012, murder suicide, gunshot to the head

All posthumously diagnosed with CTE
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That's really not a lot of people. Over a decade you produced 9 names. All of which had other issues beyond CTE. For a league that employes nearly 2000 players and probably has near a million people who've played in it, 9 suicides in a decade is nothing.
 
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Vol8188 said:
That's really not a lot of people. Over a decade you produced 9 names. All of which had other issues beyond CTE. For a league that employes nearly 2000 players and probably has near a million people who've played in it, 9 suicides in a decade is nothing.
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I bet you thought that Pat Summitt should have just sucked it up and kept coaching
 
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crusse10 said:
I bet you thought that Pat Summitt should have just sucked it up and kept coaching
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Idk where that come from?

There's probably 100,000 people alive at any given moment who played in the NFL.

9 of those people committed suicide in 10 years. That's well below the national average. So how do you claim that NFL players are at a higher risk for suicide?
 
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Vol8188 said:
Idk where that come from?

There's probably 100,000 people alive at any given moment who played in the NFL.

9 of those people committed suicide in 10 years. That's well below the national average. So how do you claim that NFL players are at a higher risk for suicide?
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If there were completely new 53-man rosters for 32 teams every year for 80 years, that's 135k

so I'm gonna guess that's wrong
 
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If I can stop my future child from developing brain injuries in his future based solely on saying no to football, I'm gonna say no to football. I bet a lot of parents are moving in that direction. So to get back to the notion of if football will go away, I'm gonna say it's possible. If they can find a solution to limit brain injuries, it'll have a much better chance to survive.
 
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crusse10 said:
If there were completely new 53-man rosters for 32 teams every year for 80 years, that's 135k

so I'm gonna guess that's wrong
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It would actually take 58.9 years.

But even if you want to call that number 50k or 40k. That's still an extremely low suicide rate.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It would actually take 58.9 years.

But even if you want to call that number 50k or 40k. That's still an extremely low suicide rate.
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And the life expectancy of those who don't kill themselves? How does that relate to the US average?
 
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crusse10 said:
And the life expectancy of those who don't kill themselves? How does that relate to the US average?
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And by the way, their suicide rate is below the national average.


But let's talk about this completely different topic. The biggest killer of NFL players is the same as the General population, heart problems. Which is related to obesity, not brain trama.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And by the way, their suicide rate is below the national average.


But let's talk about this completely different topic. The biggest killer of NFL players is the same as the General population, heart problems. Which is related to obesity, not brain trama.
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but they're also something like 4 times as likely to develop early-onset brain diseases, which kill
 
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