Nico will be at UT as a senior

[Sea Ray]

Agree, Bryce Young and Tua were much better as freshman than Nico

???

Have you looked at Bryce Young's stats as a freshman? He played in 8 games. In those 8 games he completed a total of 13 passes

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[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It's the O Line. Nico cannot run the offense comfortably with the protection of single ply Dollar Tree toilet paper in front of him.

Someone is going to get in his ear and tell him, our O Line will give you some time, let you showcase your real skills, not make you look like you're floundering back there. Tampering? You bet, but the Wild West is here.

We thought the O Line would be reasonable and I'm sure Nico did also. So should he trust Elarbee and Heupel when they say: it'll be better next year?

 

[87Vol]

I hope Nico will not be here as a senior, because if he is, it will mean he hasn't improved very much. Right now he is not a very good QB. He cannot throw with anticipation and holds the ball way too long most of the time. He isn't very accurate with the ball and misses many opportunities. Finally, he sometimes makes poor decisions to throw into heavy coverage. In his defense, he is running for his life many times back there, because our OL is absolute crap. Right now, it's just a sad situation.

 

[Volnbeers]

nico will transfer out before that.

 

[87Vol]

nico will transfer out before that.

That might not be a bad thing if he can't improve over what he is right now.

 

[top5vols]

OL needs vast improvement.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

It's the O Line. Nico cannot run the offense comfortably with the protection of single ply Dollar Tree toilet paper in front of him.

Someone is going to get in his ear and tell him, our O Line will give you some time, let you showcase your real skills, not make you look like you're floundering back there. Tampering? You bet, but the Wild West is here.

We thought the O Line would be reasonable and I'm sure Nico did also. So should he trust Elarbee and Heupel when they say: it'll be better next year?

I'm not going to argue the issues on the OL but I can tell you as a fact because I saw it with my own eyes at the game this week that Nico had MULTIPLE opportunities to hit wide open receivers 15 or more yards down field and plenty of time to throw it. The whole crowd was yelling at him to see it.

I realize this is an unfair comparison but Hendon Hooker would have shredded this Florida defense.

Nico has bad issues with his down field vision. He basically stares down his primary receiver and if he's not open he checks to his out pass or runs. He doesn't check down all the receivers. Sometimes that's not possible with the time he has but many times he should have no issues hitting wide open men.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

There's a team down in Tuscaloosa, and another in Athens, and yet another in Norman; all wearing a uniform color more to your liking. Pick one and root for it. History is spotted with disappointed people who ASSumed someone was a savior, a god in human form, resurrected Arthur, or some prophesized hero or another. Then when such a person didn't, especially, immediately live up to their expectation, accused them of being demon spawn, fakes, failures, pretenders, and worse. And here you are.

Take a long walk off a short pier

 

[volfeeva]

Welcome to the dark side. Feel free to roam among the boards and make yourself at home.

Or go to the other polyanna side= Vols by fiddy

 

[Justsumvolfan]

As much as I hate it Nico just ain't that good YET. It's going to take a while based on what I saw at the game last night. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that's already (I'm sure) been posted on this board.

Here's my issue with it and why I had higher expectations.
1. 8 million dollar top shelf QB recruit
2. A supposed "quarterback whisperer" as a head coach

We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton. I never had high hopes for that guy. This was supposed to be special with Nico. The perfect storm of a highly converted QB and a coach that was a former QB and is supposed to be a guru with them

Anyway there's no way Nico goes pro early. He needs way more work. He can get there I'm sure but I expected him to not look like Milton 2.0 ever in his career.

That's all I'll say in it. Bring on Bama.

His problem is reading defenses, that's why he's standing in the pocket and throwing it into double coverage.. the guy took three bad sacks against Florida in a row, and all you need to complete a pass is 3 secs... If it's not there throw it away, and he's hesitant to do that... The Oline isn't good, but it's not all on them... He's been there for almost two years now and we are half way through the season... Florida's true Freshman almost out played him and that's not a good sign... Nico's just gotta let it rip, if it gets picked off it gets picked off.. we can't keep playing scared....

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

???

Have you looked at Bryce Young's stats as a freshman? He played in 8 games. In those 8 games he completed a total of 13 passes

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He's talking about Bryce's redshirt freshman year, which is what Nico is also in now. Bryce won the Heisman and took his team to the national championship game. Probably the greatest freshman season ever, outside of maybe Jameis Winston or Michael Vick (redshirt freshman). Far more 5 star quarterbacks coming out of high school aren't as good as those three right out of the gate.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I'm not going to argue the issues on the OL but I can tell you as a fact because I saw it with my own eyes at the game this week that Nico had MULTIPLE opportunities to hit wide open receivers 15 or more yards down field and plenty of time to throw it. The whole crowd was yelling at him to see it.

I realize this is an unfair comparison but Hendon Hooker would have shredded this Florida defense.

Nico has bad issues with his down field vision. He basically stares down his primary receiver and if he's not open he checks to his out pass or runs. He doesn't check down all the receivers. Sometimes that's not possible with the time he has but many times he should have no issues hitting wide open men.

I'll not absolve Nico but he's likely feeling (correctly or not) that the pocket is a half-second from collapsing from his blindside.

Should he stand in and look around anyway, even if he's risking sacks? He'll get the "Nico holds it too long like Joe did" label.

Should he rush throws he doesn't feel good about? "Overthrow Nico" or he throws picks and hurts us even worse.

He's missing people, for sure, but the people he's missing most play OT for the Vols.

 

[UTFranklinVol]

His problem is reading defenses, that's why he's standing in the pocket and throwing it into double coverage.. the guy took three bad sacks against Florida in a row, and all you need to complete a pass is 3 secs... If it's not there throw it away, and he's hesitant to do that... The Oline isn't good, but it's not all on them... He's been there for almost two years now and we are half way through the season... Florida's true Freshman out played him and that's not a good sign... Nico's just gotta let it rip, if it gets picked off it gets picked off.. we can't keep playing scared....

I agree . Throws into double coverage with another man wide open in the middle. He doesn't have a good instinct for scrambling given his immense physical ability and he doesn't know when to throw
the ball out of bounds and kill the play.

It's very much like if Plan A fails, he doesn't have the ability to go to plan B C or D very well at all. His decision making becomes a big liability.

The game this week was eye openning (for me at least) because being at the game you can see plays develop in a way you can't see on TV.

I'm here to tell you now Hendon Hooker would have zero issues with our current OL. I know it's not fair to compare Nico to Hooker but the OL is not the reason we had trouble beating Florida. It's just not.

 

[chattaboogie]

Troll

Imagine having nothing better to do than troll a cfb message board

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Take a long walk off a short pier

I did, have done it many times. Mostly on a dare, but sometimes to help people ashore. Though how and why they got down there among the columns, some of the stories they tell would shame fiction. Now, you try it.

 

[Sea Ray]

He's talking about Bryce's redshirt freshman year, which is what Nico is also in now. Bryce won the Heisman and took his team to the national championship game. Probably the greatest freshman season ever, outside of maybe Jameis Winston or Michael Vick (redshirt freshman). Far more 5 star quarterbacks coming out of high school aren't as good as those three right out of the gate.

If he played in 8 games then he can't call it a red shirt year. Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't appear that Young had a RS freshman year

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I agree . Throws into double coverage with another man wide open in the middle. He doesn't have a good instinct for scrambling given his immense physical ability and he doesn't know when to throw
the ball out of bounds and kill the play.

It's very much like if Plan A fails, he doesn't have the ability to go to plan B C or D very well at all. His decision making becomes a big liability.

The game this week was eye openning (for me at least) because being at the game you can see plays develop in a way you can't see on TV.

I'm here to tell you now Hendon Hooker would have zero issues with our current OL. I know it's not fair to compare Nico to Hooker but the OL is not the reason we had trouble beating Florida. It's just not.

I'll have to trust your assessment of guys open and you're not the only person from a butt on a bleacher to say that. I wish All 22 videos were available to the public.

Given that, and given that we're going to need good decisions against Bama and GA, it's foolhardy to believe "this is the week it all clicks for him." Things don't look good for those games because they aren't FL, they will take advantage of our missed opportunities.

We saw a similar "failure to thrive" from Joe and the same vanilla playbook we're seeing this year. I know Heupel has coached up some good QBs and has picked some good QBs (he originally recruited Dillon Gabriel to UCF, I believe) but if 2 out of 3 QBs can't process fast enough to run your offense ....... something has to give.

But what?

 

[Rocky Top T]

???

Have you looked at Bryce Young's stats as a freshman? He played in 8 games. In those 8 games he completed a total of 13 passes

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I'm talking about his redshirt freshman year .

 

[sjt18]

As much as I hate it Nico just ain't that good YET. It's going to take a while based on what I saw at the game last night. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that's already (I'm sure) been posted on this board.

Here's my issue with it and why I had higher expectations.
1. 8 million dollar top shelf QB recruit
2. A supposed "quarterback whisperer" as a head coach

We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton. I never had high hopes for that guy. This was supposed to be special with Nico. The perfect storm of a highly converted QB and a coach that was a former QB and is supposed to be a guru with them

Anyway there's no way Nico goes pro early. He needs way more work. He can get there I'm sure but I expected him to not look like Milton 2.0 ever in his career.

That's all I'll say in it. Bring on Bama.

He's a RS FR. He may learn and adapt. Hooker cut his teeth on the ACC after a couple of years as a back up. He took off. Guarantano simply never developed the mental ability to "see" things.

Nico is struggling to find the open receiver and then missing too often when he does. Yeah, disappointing for someone who came in with his accolades but not a death sentence yet. Opposing DC's have found things that work against him. Dropping 8 into coverage just blew his mind previously but he's gotten a little better so teams have varied some. Heupel has helped by cutting the field in half but that only works if Nico makes good, quick decisions to run.

I think you've maybe overreacted a bit. But I agree it is a concern. He has to "break through" SOON. I found myself kind of wishing they'd put Moore in vs UF. He's not a great talent. But nothing UF was doing required great talent to beat. You just needed someone who could find and hit open guys.

 

[90 Vol]

I agree . Throws into double coverage with another man wide open in the middle. He doesn't have a good instinct for scrambling given his immense physical ability and he doesn't know when to throw
the ball out of bounds and kill the play.

It's very much like if Plan A fails, he doesn't have the ability to go to plan B C or D very well at all. His decision making becomes a big liability.

The game this week was eye openning (for me at least) because being at the game you can see plays develop in a way you can't see on TV.

I'm here to tell you now Hendon Hooker would have zero issues with our current OL. I know it's not fair to compare Nico to Hooker but the OL is not the reason we had trouble beating Florida. It's just not.

You nailed it my friend. I was there on Saturday and saw the same thing.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

If he played in 8 games then he can't call it a red shirt year. Maybe I'm missing something but it doesn't appear that Young had a RS freshman year

2020 counted against no one, remember. He threw 13 passes in 2020. Less than Nico last year. Bottom line people have had unrealistic expectations of Nico for this year. Far, far more 5 star quarterback recruits start their career like Nico than the 3 previously mentioned.

 

[mpfvol]

With all the other QBs we've recruited, he'll have to earn his playing time if he stays here that long. He won't be handed the starting job

Once CJH picks his guy it's his guy no matter what barring injury

 

[BeardedVol]

???

Have you looked at Bryce Young's stats as a freshman? He played in 8 games. In those 8 games he completed a total of 13 passes

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Sometimes I wonder about you guys...

Bryce Young was a true freshman in 2020, Nico is not a true freshman in 2024.

 

[adam.vol]

Also from the guy who said Kamara would be a superstar NFL RB and we would have the best d-line in the country this year.

So I've been right about quite a few things as well.

I was right that this new 4th quarter song sucks. I was also right that Dobbs had no chance at winning the Heistman.

 

[BACKDOC]

As much as I hate it Nico just ain't that good YET. It's going to take a while based on what I saw at the game last night. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that's already (I'm sure) been posted on this board.

Here's my issue with it and why I had higher expectations.
1. 8 million dollar top shelf QB recruit
2. A supposed "quarterback whisperer" as a head coach

We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton. I never had high hopes for that guy. This was supposed to be special with Nico. The perfect storm of a highly converted QB and a coach that was a former QB and is supposed to be a guru with them

Anyway there's no way Nico goes pro early. He needs way more work. He can get there I'm sure but I expected him to not look like Milton 2.0 ever in his career.

That's all I'll say in it. Bring on Bama.

Milton was not a 5th year transfer.