Nico will be at UT as a senior

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Sea Ray said:
Correct. Some here are referring to his RS freshman year. I agree with your assessment. That was his true freshman year. He had no redshirt year
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All things considered Nico probably had more actual playing time in 2023, than Young had in 2020 as well.
 
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BeardedVol said:
All things considered Nico probably had more actual playing time in 2023, than Young had in 2020 as well.
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If we want to compare Nico's RS freshman year to Bryce Young's soph year, I'm game.

I'll start by saying it's an awfully high bar. I don't think we can expect such excellence from him. Have we ever had that sort of excellence from a UT QB? Maybe Peyton. Maybe. But here's the big thing: Young had the best talent in the nation to work with. Nico has 17th. His O-line is probably far below that

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He's nowhere near as good as Bryce Young. Don't know if he ever will be. I do think he'll improve. If I'm wrong then we need to look in a different direction in 2025 and beyond.
 
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Sea Ray said:
If we want to compare Nico's RS freshman year to Bryce Young's soph year, I'm game.

I'll start by saying it's an awfully high bar. I don't think we can expect such excellence from him. Have we ever had that sort of excellence from a UT QB? Maybe Peyton. Maybe. But here's the big thing: Young had the best talent in the nation to work with. Nico has 17th. His O-line is probably far below that

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He's nowhere near as good as Bryce Young. Don't know if he ever will be. I do think he'll improve. If I'm wrong then we need to look in a different direction in 2025 and beyond.
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Why would we compare Nico' true freshman year to Bryce Young's sophomore year?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Why would we compare Nico' true freshman year to Bryce Young's sophomore year?
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We shouldn't. I never suggested that. For your convenience, here's what I said:

"If we want to compare Nico's RS freshman year to Bryce Young's soph year, I'm game."

How you took that to mean "true freshman year" I don't know

I swear I spend more time correcting people here than I do talking about the actual issues
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
As much as I hate it Nico just ain't that good YET. It's going to take a while based on what I saw at the game last night. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that's already (I'm sure) been posted on this board.

Here's my issue with it and why I had higher expectations.
1. 8 million dollar top shelf QB recruit
2. A supposed "quarterback whisperer" as a head coach

We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton. I never had high hopes for that guy. This was supposed to be special with Nico. The perfect storm of a highly converted QB and a coach that was a former QB and is supposed to be a guru with them

Anyway there's no way Nico goes pro early. He needs way more work. He can get there I'm sure but I expected him to not look like Milton 2.0 ever in his career.

That's all I'll say in it. Bring on Bama.
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He needs work, but way too premature to say he will be here as a senior. Nico could develop by next year and be on his way to the NFL draft, which is what I think will happen. I don't think his struggles are all his fault, but I do however think he is holding the ball too long on some plays or giving up on a pass play and trying to create something that is not there. Hoping decision making and a quicker release finds its way to him.
 
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Nico will be here at least 2 years and I wonder if Merklinger might go the portal route after this season with MacIntire coming on board in 2025.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
As much as I hate it Nico just ain't that good YET. It's going to take a while based on what I saw at the game last night. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that's already (I'm sure) been posted on this board.

Here's my issue with it and why I had higher expectations.
1. 8 million dollar top shelf QB recruit
2. A supposed "quarterback whisperer" as a head coach

We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton. I never had high hopes for that guy. This was supposed to be special with Nico. The perfect storm of a highly converted QB and a coach that was a former QB and is supposed to be a guru with them

Anyway there's no way Nico goes pro early. He needs way more work. He can get there I'm sure but I expected him to not look like Milton 2.0 ever in his career.

That's all I'll say in it. Bring on Bama.
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Dumbest post ever.

You're talking about a redshirt freshman who's 6 games into his career.
 
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High school performance doesn't directly translate to college performance. I don't think anybody doubts his talent. But everybody's moving a whole lot quicker in the SEC. Those DB's and linebackers are moving a whole lot faster now. Not only that, but those defenses are better coached and every player on the field was cherry picked for their skills. Those legs that you were able to use to scramble and make yourself look like a million bucks in high school make you look pedestrian in college.
His college career is looking like his high school career. Either they beat the will to live out of you, or they lose. It doesn't appear that adversity is something that he thrives on.
He can get better. He will get better. Can he reach the stratospheric levels we were told? Time will tell......
 
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Sea Ray said:
As much as we're being critical of Nico, anyone see the end of the Ohio State-Oregon game on Saturday? Will Howard, OSU's QB, is a 5th year senior and has played in 40 games...he made a very similar judgment error to what Nico did vs Arkansas. It happens.
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Against Arkansas, you did see the downfield lineman that meant Nico could not throw the ball?
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
As much as I hate it Nico just ain't that good YET. It's going to take a while based on what I saw at the game last night. I'm not going to regurgitate everything that's already (I'm sure) been posted on this board.

Here's my issue with it and why I had higher expectations.
1. 8 million dollar top shelf QB recruit
2. A supposed "quarterback whisperer" as a head coach

We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton. I never had high hopes for that guy. This was supposed to be special with Nico. The perfect storm of a highly converted QB and a coach that was a former QB and is supposed to be a guru with them

Anyway there's no way Nico goes pro early. He needs way more work. He can get there I'm sure but I expected him to not look like Milton 2.0 ever in his career.

That's all I'll say in it. Bring on Bama.
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Both Nico and Joe have one thing in common. Bad OL protection. Until we get that, it will be hard to improve.
 
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Behr said:
Why do you say he's a troll? To be clear I'm not disagreeing. I'm just curious why you call him a troll.
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Bc for years now he shows up when we are good, unrealistically talks us up, then when we don’t meet his irrational expectations he makes a thread flaming the team, flaming the coaches, claiming he’s only a fan when we are good etc. Never owns up when he’s wrong about a prediction, I could write a book about why he’s a troll but I’ll stop there
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
We aren't talking about a 5th year transfer like Milton
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No, you are talking about a redshirt Freshmen that played very little in 4 regular season games, Has now started a total of 7 games. Has done some good things and some freshmen things that is to be expected.
 
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BenGrimm said:
What I’m finding quite humorous right now is seeing all the folks that were convinced he should have replaced Milton last year now all of a sudden saying he isn’t worth the money.

Honestly I think it starts on the OL. Not only are they letting pressure through, but even when Nico has a good scramble or makes a good long pass it gets called back for holding or ineligible receiver down field. That’s gotta be shaking his confidence.
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Preach. Clamored and begged for Nico last year now ready to throw him out like scraps for a dog
 
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utVolFanInVA said:
This is BS. He has been on campus and immersed in the playbook for 22 months now. He should have a better grasp of the playbook than anyone on the team by now. With the knowledge he should have, he should be able to know where his open receivers are or his hot route options. We don't see any level of this knowledge displayed on most Sat afternoons/nights.
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Enlighten us on what hot routes have been called except the last couple possessions against Florida at all this year ? We run everything 15 to 20 yards down field if it isn't the tunnel to the wide out
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
He's talking about Bryce's redshirt freshman year, which is what Nico is also in now. Bryce won the Heisman and took his team to the national championship game. Probably the greatest freshman season ever, outside of maybe Jameis Winston or Michael Vick (redshirt freshman). Far more 5 star quarterbacks coming out of high school aren't as good as those three right out of the gate.
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That kid had so much talent on that team it was unfair. His OL was dominant and he was hardly ever touched. Plus he had freaking amazing wr's for the college game and arguably the best defense that season. We don't have that OL or those WR. We have a good group sometimes.
 
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Rocky Top T said:
My mistake, he play very little as freshman. He was outstanding his second year
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He sure was. Nico's not there yet but he's not blocking the next Bryce Young either. All we can do is coach him up and see if he improves this year. I think he will but I won't put Bryce Young expectations on the guy.
 
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BigALWiLson said:
That kid had so much talent on that team it was unfair. His OL was dominant and he was hardly ever touched. Plus he had freaking amazing wr's for the college game and arguably the best defense that season. We don't have that OL or those WR. We have a good group sometimes.
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Yes, you get it. It's a team sport
 
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BigALWiLson said:
That kid had so much talent on that team it was unfair. His OL was dominant and he was hardly ever touched. Plus he had freaking amazing wr's for the college game and arguably the best defense that season. We don't have that OL or those WR. We have a good group sometimes.
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I'm not trashing Nico, I'm defending him. There are people here who will tell you point blank that they were expecting Bryce Young production from him, Bryce had probably the best freshman season ever in the 90+ year history of the conference. I think that's unfair to Nico. I thought it was unfair preseason and I think it's unfair to put that on him now.
 
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