Nicolas Saban

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DarkVolder said:
I really think he’s almost done and will retire in the next couple of years if not this offseason it also wouldn’t surprise me if he stepped down in the coming weeks. He won’t win another national title either the game has changed and he no longer can buy the best players over everyone else that’s why he hates NIL and the transfer portal. He also hasn’t won a legit fans in the stands national title since 2017. I just hope we beat the cheating midget one more time before he sneaks out the back door..
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Seems more like wishful thinking to me. They are going to be harder for him to come by but he’s still very capable. For the record, I hope you are correct.
 
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bamawriter said:
Alabama played 2 games that weren't called by SEC refs (USF and Michigan) and were called for holding once in those games (against USF on Bama's last possession).
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Wrong. The Gumps were called for Holding twice vs USF.

Also, the Gumps gave up 11 Sacks in the 2 games you mentioned, due in part to not being allowed to choke hold pass rushers like Tyler Baron & James Pearce with impunity.

Hopefully, the SEC will move its headquarters out of 3rd world Gumpviile soon to enable non biased officiating. One would have to be dense (like most Gumps) to not understand the headquarters in Gumpville and human nature has resulted in pro-Gump bias by SEC officiating/administration. At least the Gump grad is no longer the head of SEC officials now.
 
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VolsSince78 said:
Wrong. The Gumps were called for Holding twice vs USF.

Also, the Gumps gave up 11 Sacks in the 2 games you mentioned, due in part to not being allowed to choke hold pass rushers like Tyler Baron & James Pearce with impunity.

Hopefully, the SEC will move its headquarters out of 3rd world Gumpviile soon to enable non biased officiating. One would have to be dense (like most Gumps) to not understand the headquarters in Gumpville and human nature has resulted in pro-Gump bias by SEC officiating/administration. At least the Gump grad is no longer the head of SEC officials now.
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You're correct. I was just looking at the offense, but there was a hold on special teams. My bad.

But I still don't understand the logic: Bama wasn't allowed to hold, and yet they only got called for holding twice, and only once on the offense. It's weird logic.
 
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DarkVolder said:
I really think he’s almost done and will retire in the next couple of years if not this offseason it also wouldn’t surprise me if he stepped down in the coming weeks. He won’t win another national title either the game has changed and he no longer can buy the best players over everyone else that’s why he hates NIL and the transfer portal. He also hasn’t won a legit fans in the stands national title since 2017. I just hope we beat the cheating midget one more time before he sneaks out the back door..
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I can guarantee you he's not retiring this year. Atleast another 5 yrs.
 
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rjd970 said:
With the way that second half was officiated I agree. There is no way UT was going to win the second half, despite what they did in the first half.
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Right. And it had absolutely nothing to do with UT's entire gameplan being built around getting the ball to White, Bama adjusting to take White away, and UT having no Plan B. Nope, it was all on the refs.
 
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bamawriter said:
Right. And it had absolutely nothing to do with UT's entire gameplan being built around getting the ball to White, Bama adjusting to take White away, and UT having no Plan B. Nope, it was all on the refs.
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One single penalty on Bama. Meanwhile we are getting spotted inside the 5 yard line because one player on the front line put his hand above his head and Bama is choke holding DL all game.

One. Penalty.

You really believe that was a fairly called game?

Go look at the box score and see which side won the play on the field. Penalties were the outlier.
 
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rjd970 said:
One single penalty on Bama. Meanwhile we are getting spotted inside the 5 yard line because one player on the front line put his hand above his head and Bama is choke holding DL all game.

One. Penalty.

You really believe that was a fairly called game?
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Nope. The refs sucked. But they weren't why UT lost.

Just like the refs sucked in the '22 game (because Jason Autrey's crew doesn't actually know how to officiate college football), but they weren't the reason Bama lost.
 
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bamawriter said:
Nope. The refs sucked. But they weren't why UT lost.

Just like the refa sucked in the '22 game (because Jason Autrey's crew doesm't actually know how to officiate college football), but they weren't the reason Bama lost.
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The refs sucked or the refs weren’t fair?
 
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bamawriter said:
Call it whatever you want. They still weren't the reason UT lost, or Bama the year before.
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Maybe, maybe not. If the penalties were 8-1 in ‘22 you have an argument. As it stands, maybe the refs sucked both years, but they weren’t fair in the least in ‘23 and it affected the game anyway you look at it.

When Bama scores on a blatant hold and then they make a call that pins UT inside the 5 to start the second half, the tone is set. UT receivers were mangled the rest of the afternoon and DL were literally put in chokeholds. Nothing was going to get called on Bama and both sides knew it.
 
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rjd970 said:
Maybe, maybe not. If the penalties were 8-1 in ‘22 you have an argument.
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Bama had 11 more penalties and almost 100 more penalty yards. And if your response is going to be "ONLY 1 PENALTY!!!" then I'm going to point you to the 2016 game.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama had 11 more penalties and almost 100 more penalty yards. And if your response is going to be "ONLY 1 PENALTY!!!" then I'm going to point you to the 2016 game.
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The penalty difference in 2016 wouldn’t have mattered anyway. You want a game where it wouldn’t have impacted anything? There you go.

It absolutely impacted the 2023 game, and I would argue it was as egregious enough as to impact the 2019 game too. Outside of that, UT generally hasn’t had a shot against Bama where the officiating mattered at all. As for 2022, it went both ways on the live ball penalties and let’s not forget Bama was even gifted a TD on a wrong call.

In fact, go to my post history and see how many times I call out officiating in Tenn’s other games. It’s Bama, and is common across all of Bama’s opponents. Something is clearly amiss. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a conspiracy, I’m not saying it’s necessarily intentional, but its there.

Yes, it was one penalty and UT was flagged 8x as many, and this doesn’t even take into account the kickoff spot that wasn’t a penalty.

It was not a fairly or evenly called game in 2023 and 2016 is a laughable comparison.
 
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rjd970 said:
The penalty difference in 2016 wouldn’t have mattered anyway. You want a game where it wouldn’t have impacted anything? There you go.

It absolutely impacted the 2023 game, and I would argue it was as egregious enough as to impact the 2019 game too. Outside of that, UT generally hasn’t had a shot against Bama where the officiating mattered at all. As for 2022, it went both ways on the live ball penalties and let’s not forget Bama was even gifted a TD on a wrong call.

In fact, go to my post history and see how many times I call out officiating in Tenn’s other games. It’s Bama, and is common across all of Bama’s opponents. Something is clearly amiss. I’m not saying it’s necessarily a conspiracy, I’m not saying it’s necessarily intentional, but its there.

Yes, it was one penalty and UT was flagged 8x as many, and this doesn’t even take into account the kickoff spot that wasn’t a penalty.

It was not a fairly or evenly called game in 2023 and 2016 is a laughable comparison.
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It was also not a fairly or evenly called game in 2022 (let's not forget that it required more than five minutes of video review to keep Autrey from giving UT a fifth down). But unlike you, I don't blame the officials unless I can specifically point to a moment that unquestionably affected the result. As an example, see the 2020 Auburn-Arkansas game which was also called by Autrey and is further evidence that his crew have no idea how to officiate college football.
 
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05_never_again said:
He's totally capable of winning another title, and if he does get one within the next couple of years I think he might.

2023 was probably one of his best coaching jobs.
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I said this year was the best coaching job he has done since he’s been at Bama. I also don’t see him winning another NC game either. With the portal and NIL, he can’t hord the best players now.
 
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DarkVolder said:
I really think he’s almost done and will retire in the next couple of years if not this offseason it also wouldn’t surprise me if he stepped down in the coming weeks. He won’t win another national title either the game has changed and he no longer can buy the best players over everyone else that’s why he hates NIL and the transfer portal. He also hasn’t won a legit fans in the stands national title since 2017. I just hope we beat the cheating midget one more time before he sneaks out the back door..
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I feel like we’ve thought he was almost done for about a decade. Or he was going to the NFL. Or he was going to Texas. I doubt he goes anywhere unless Terry makes him or his health makes him. He’s said many times he isn’t walking away if he’s able to coach.
 
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bamawriter said:
It was also not a fairly or evenly called game in 2022 (let's not forget that it required more than five minutes of video review to keep Autrey from giving UT a fifth down). But unlike you, I don't blame the officials unless I can specifically point to a moment that unquestionably affected the result. As an example, see the 2020 Auburn-Arkansas game which was also called by Autrey and is further evidence that his crew have no idea how to officiate college football.
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So now you are backtracking off the 2016 game and doubling down on 2022.

Look, I stand by my 2019 and 2023 comments. Looking at the total body of calls in both those games (probably more importantly the ignored calls) it clearly shows something is not right.

Outside of those two games, I’m not blaming the officials more than I’m blaming Tenn just being awful. 2019 and 2023 Tenn had a legitimate shot until officials inserted themselves at opportune times.
 
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rjd970 said:
While this is true, NIL does open the door for schools that had resources but not the "under the table network". The Bama's and OSUs and UGAs have those in spades. Now the field is much larger that it has all gone above board and the top talent is spread more evenly over the schools with resources. Even this year Bama, OSU, and UGA aren't playing for a national championship. Agree that especially with UGA and Bama they played each other and that is why UGA isn't in, however I still think we will see more and more parity with the high resource teams in the coming years.

Your second point is certainly valid, the portal is a true game changer, but I think it is a combination of both that is changing the game and equalizing parity.
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Does this mean Bama will have less $$$$ to pay their refs, or Texas & OK can try to top their offers????? We definitely want the competition there.
 
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rjd970 said:
Maybe, maybe not. If the penalties were 8-1 in ‘22 you have an argument. As it stands, maybe the refs sucked both years, but they weren’t fair in the least in ‘23 and it affected the game anyway you look at it.

When Bama scores on a blatant hold and then they make a call that pins UT inside the 5 to start the second half, the tone is set. UT receivers were mangled the rest of the afternoon and DL were literally put in chokeholds. Nothing was going to get called on Bama and both sides knew it.
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Yep. 100% agree. The truth hurts. Anyone with half an objective eye could see it. The sad thing about it, aside from the loss, is there's no penalty for the officials. They still collect their above board and under the table $$$$$$. Criminal! Yes, officials can make mistakes, I get that, but not so one-sided it's blatant.
 
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volfanbill said:
Ftr, it’s Nicholas.

And a guy in the main forum doubled down earlier this year that he’s retiring after this very season. So, in short, it’s happening.
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Hmmmmm. I thought it was Little Nicky. My bad.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
People act like it's a miracle that Bama made it when their roster consists of 20% 5 stars and 90% bluechips.

They almost sh!t the bed against USF, Arkansas & Auburn.

Someone explain to me how that equates to one of his best coaching jobs?
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You actually PROVE the point. Saban took an average team, went undefeated in the SEC, won the SEC championship and advanced to the Final 4.
 
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