Nicolas Saban

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#51
Georgia had 18 transfers? Did we get any of those blue chips?

I don't buy this narrative that, back in the day, everyone was paying players under the table back but us. I believe that bama was doing
more of it than anybody else, but everybody was doing it in one way or another.

I also don't subscribe to this notion that because bribery is now above the table and everyone can do it, all is well and there will be parity in college football. The portal does offer the potential to even things out a bit, but the transfers are still looking for cash. Not much is going to change--the big dogs will remain the big dogs, obviously.
 
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bamawriter said:
You're correct. I was just looking at the offense, but there was a hold on special teams. My bad.

But I still don't understand the logic: Bama wasn't allowed to hold, and yet they only got called for holding twice, and only once on the offense. It's weird logic.
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not really.

against non-SEC refs, they know they have to behave, and that is why you saw the drop off in their production those games. it wasn't just the penalties, he also mentioned 11 sacks in 2 games. I didn't check his stats, but I doubt Bama had a 2 game stretch as bad otherwise in giving up sacks.
 
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LouderVol said:
not really.

against non-SEC refs, they know they have to behave, and that is why you saw the drop off in their production those games. it wasn't just the penalties, he also mentioned 11 sacks in 2 games. I didn't check his stats, but I doubt Bama had a 2 game stretch as bad otherwise in giving up sacks.
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That two game combination is the most Bama had all year, but not by any appreciable margin:

Texas - 5 sacks
Ole Miss - 4 sacks
Arkansas - 5 sacks (the only other game in which they had more than 3 was against Kent St)
Tennessee - 4 sacks
Georgia - 4 sacks (only other game in which they had more than 3 was against Florida)
Mississippi St - 4 sacks (tied for the most they had all year)

Alabama gave up the most sacks in the conference and was second most in sacks per game (barely ahead of Arkansas). Bama's offensive line was abysmal for all but a couple of games all year.
 
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bamawriter said:
Who are these players?
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I don't know these players well, so I don't remember. I tried to make it to the end of this, but couldn't, but these two dudes were pretty pessimistic. Let us know who they are.
 
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Kirby to the Falcons and Saban to the golf course in the same year would be awesome
 
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ptcarter said:
I don't know these players well, so I don't remember. I tried to make it to the end of this, but couldn't, but these two dudes were pretty pessimistic. Let us know who they are.
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McLaughlin is addition by subtraction.

Aside from him, Benson was the only guy who contributed this year, and he had < 20 catches.
 
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wmcovol said:
Well you can start with their first TD of the 2nd half being called back for the hook around Baron’s neck.
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That wasn't what hurt us. Not putting them away the first half and being inside the redzone 6 times and not getting a TD on any of them in the entire game.. If we just get TD's on half of them or kick 6 FG's we win the game. I'm not going to be like Bammers we're last year and blame the refs. We killed ourselves.
 
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bamawriter said:
That two game combination is the most Bama had all year, but not by any appreciable margin:

Texas - 5 sacks
Ole Miss - 4 sacks
Arkansas - 5 sacks (the only other game in which they had more than 3 was against Kent St)
Tennessee - 4 sacks
Georgia - 4 sacks (only other game in which they had more than 3 was against Florida)
Mississippi St - 4 sacks (tied for the most they had all year)

Alabama gave up the most sacks in the conference and was second most in sacks per game (barely ahead of Arkansas). Bama's offensive line was abysmal for all but a couple of games all year.
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the difference is on what plays are the sacks taken away with favorable reffing? a 10 yard penalty on no gain play is just a net -10. take away a 42 yard reception and minus 10, thats -52 net yards. thats a pretty important distinction. also is Bama driving and about to score, or has it been a defensive struggle with a lot of punting? one "matters" the other doesn't.

we saw last night what even a 5 yard penalty does to a team in the national title. a couple non-hold calls in the right place is easily a momentum swing.
 
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NEVER!!!
The Bama mindset cannot even contemplate such an anathema 😂
University of Alabama Researchers have made great advancements in unnatural cloning research in order to prepare for such an eventuality
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LouderVol said:
the difference is on what plays are the sacks taken away with favorable reffing? a 10 yard penalty on no gain play is just a net -10. take away a 42 yard reception and minus 10, thats -52 net yards. thats a pretty important distinction. also is Bama driving and about to score, or has it been a defensive struggle with a lot of punting? one "matters" the other doesn't.

we saw last night what even a 5 yard penalty does to a team in the national title. a couple non-hold calls in the right place is easily a momentum swing.
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Bama had 8 TDs taken off the board by penalty, which is an FBS single season record. But your mileage for what "matters" might vary.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama had 8 TDs taken off the board by penalty, which is an FBS single season record. But your mileage for what "matters" might vary.
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and a few more wouldn't have had any impact on the games?

your argument doesn't do anything to take away from them getting some favorable calls. in fact it just shows that the Bama was the most likely do something flag worthy in order to score, which is our point. I haven't seen anyone argue that Bama ONLY gets favorable calls, or that the SEC never calls ANYTHING on Bama. just that they get favorable calls in the SEC and that those calls matter.
 
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LouderVol said:
and a few more wouldn't have had any impact on the games?

your argument doesn't do anything to take away from them getting some favorable calls. in fact it just shows that the Bama was the most likely do something flag worthy in order to score, which is our point. I haven't seen anyone argue that Bama ONLY gets favorable calls, or that the SEC never calls ANYTHING on Bama. just that they get favorable calls in the SEC and that those calls matter.
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Bama sets a record for TDs lost to penalty, and your argument shifts to "they should have had more." Well done.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama sets a record for TDs lost to penalty, and your argument shifts to "they should have had more." Well done.
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my argument has always been they should have had more. you are the one TRYING to shift the goal posts to "did they have the most in the country", which was never brought up beyond your maybe two posts trying to deflect. Doesn't matter if they had the most if there were more missed calls that helped Bama.

even you have admitted they should have had at least one more, the choke hold on Baron, ITT; and yet here you are acting like how many you had called was enough.
 
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bamawriter said:
It was also not a fairly or evenly called game in 2022 (let's not forget that it required more than five minutes of video review to keep Autrey from giving UT a fifth down). But unlike you, I don't blame the officials unless I can specifically point to a moment that unquestionably affected the result. As an example, see the 2020 Auburn-Arkansas game which was also called by Autrey and is further evidence that his crew have no idea how to officiate college football.
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All this arguing is moot. The past is over and it a waste of time trying to change it. '22 is over, '23 is over and Bama is over. So it is written, so it is done.
 
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LouderVol said:
my argument has always been they should have had more. you are the one TRYING to shift the goal posts to "did they have the most in the country", which was never brought up beyond your maybe two posts trying to deflect. Doesn't matter if they had the most if there were more missed calls that helped Bama.

even you have admitted they should have had at least one more, the choke hold on Baron, ITT; and yet here you are acting like how many you had called was enough.
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No, you were trying to argue that Bama doesn't get calls when they "matter." When what you really mean is that the refs missed one specific penalty in the UT game.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, you were trying to argue that Bama doesn't get calls when they "matter." When what you really mean is that the refs missed one specific penalty in the UT game.
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no I only watched the majority of one Bama game with any particular interest to have complaints about it.

when were those 8 penalties called, that took back touchdowns?
 
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LouderVol said:
no I only watched the majority of one Bama game with any particular interest to have complaints about it.

when were those 8 penalties called, that took back touchdowns?
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2 against Texas, both resulted in FGs. That's at least an 8 point swing in a game that Bama wound up losing by 10.

2 against USF. One was early and Bama punted. The second was late in the game with Bama up by 7. Bama wound up getting a TD anyway, but it took six more plays.

1 against Ole Miss. Settled for a FG. Won by 14.

1 against Arkansas. Bama punted. Won by 3.

1 against A&M. This was late in the game on a blocked FG. Would have put Bama up by 2 TDs. Bama Won the game by 6.

1 against Auburn. Bama punted. Wound up requiring a miracle to win by 3.
 
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