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#76
#76
volzfanz said:
Its nothing short of amazing how little actual media info there has been. Thats either a real tight ship, or a real boring story with nothing much to report. I feel pretty sure we will have a coach today.
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We ALL need it announced soon. No doubt. Been grueling on my end.
 
#78
#78
utfan72408 said:
Nobody knew Bielema was linked to Arkansas. Nobody had heard the name, and people thought he was secure at Wisconsin for basically the rest of his career. Nobody knew the two had even talked. It was a shocking hire.

THIS is my last hope for Tennessee football. That we can pull off a similar hire, a hire no one saw coming. I can't even guess. I can't even think of any names. But Tennessee has its Bielema out there somewhere. I just hope we can make the hire.

For the record, I'd love Gundy. I will say that.
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Im hoping for Gundy as well!!
 
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#79
#79
Gundy at least has a resume and somewhat of a name to take into a recruits living room. His problem is that we play defense in this league. Thats how u win. But at least he knows about big games, having to play OK every year.
 
#80
#80
beamerman said:
I know this is a football forum but look at what Hamilton did to baseball too with his Raleigh hire. He just got lucky with Bruce Pearl. And don't forget who gave Fulmer a raise then had to fire him. Has there been a worse AD at TN? If so, I would like to know the name.
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No that's exactly right. I talked to my dad about this the other day. Can't credit him for Pearl, because he didn't deviate from his clearly awful strategy he uses when picking a head coach. He simply lucked out in a big way with Pearl.

Baseball was destroyed too, along with football. You are right. This definitely spans all athletics with Mike Hamilton. It isn't just football at all. Not even close. It is why I will have trouble believing in Cuanzo Martin until he proves me wrong. When all is said and done, Coach Zo is still a Hamilton hire, and that can't be good.

How many worse AD's have there been anywhere, not just Tennessee? I'd love to try to find a worse AD than Mike Hamilton at any school. I bet I couldn't.
 
#81
#81
Yall know tn is not short on cash. This university is made of money. It may not be in the athl dept's acct, but its there. We supposedly have at least 2 billionares as boosters. Thats not including peyton manning - arguably the best qb to ever play the game of football. These guys are loaded and well connected. Its just hard to believe that at this critical juncture we can only manage to get a guy like strong who has 3 yrs HC exp.......and he aint even in the bag for sure.
 
#82
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volzfanz said:
Yall know tn is not short on cash. This university is made of money. It may not be in the athl dept's acct, but its there. We supposedly have at least 2 billionares as boosters. Thats not including peyton manning - arguably the best qb to ever play the game of football. These guys are loaded and well connected. Its just hard to believe that at this critical juncture we can only manage to get a guy like strong who has 3 yrs HC exp.......and he aint even in the bag for sure.
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Anybody saying money is an issue is full of it. Money isn't really an issue for any major conference schools. All those schools have rich boosters/alums willing to donate lots and lots of money.

I heard somewhere that TCU had six families donate $15M each toward new facilities and other things. TC-freaking-U!!!

So don't try to tell me we're poor and out of money. Haha.
 
#83
#83
I'm still hoping that it will be Strong as our coach not Gundy, i do believe Strong will be a great coach on the up rise,hopefully he isn't just playing UT to make UL cough up a lot more cash, could be though,Fedora would be a decent hire or maybe Hart does have the ace up the sleeve hire
 
#84
#84
No doubt. Money is not the issue. I really think its the real possibility that this job can ruin your career. It can also make you a rockstar tho. Its a difficult place to recruit, but has the best facilities in the country - BAR NONE. There are alot of pluses but its risky right now.
 
#85
#85
i think the recruiting problems is the hold back,a coach has to spend a lot of time on the road here
 
#86
#86
governmentmule said:
I'm still hoping that it will be Strong as our coach not Gundy, i do believe Strong will be a great coach on the up rise,hopefully he isn't just playing UT to make UL cough up a lot more cash, could be though,Fedora would be a decent hire or maybe Hart does have the ace up the sleeve hire
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We can only hope. The big decision makers know this hire wont unite the fanbase and that means lost revenue so maybe they just arent showing their cards. Who knows. But this hire will determine our place in the SEC pecking order for yrs to come. If no news today then there is definitely a fox in the henhouse and it might be a big one. Dont wanna get my hopes up too high.
 
#89
#89
Someone had a good point that arkys hire was completely unexpected so maybe we can make a splash too.
 
#91
#91
i guess i should have said in the air, i do miss UTs plane not being able to be tracked :) and I do have to say that Hart has kept a tight lid on names leaking out,he had better at least get a good solid coach or still have that surprise hire still going
 
#92
#92
the Arky hired surprised me,he is a good coach,recruiting for a SEC team will be his challenge, and converting that offense to a running atk and getting them to play defense too
 
#93
#93
Well fellas im gonna count some sheep. Been good to talk with NORMAL people on here for a change. Bet the suspense ends today and we can get back to our lives. Appreciate the conversation. GO VOLS
 
#94
#94
volzfanz said:
No doubt. Money is not the issue. I really think its the real possibility that this job can ruin your career. It can also make you a rockstar tho.
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Can't totally agree with you here. I mean, I agree it can make you a rockstar or ruin your career. That part is true. But your career is only ruined if you suck. Dooley sucked, so his career was ruined. But he deserved it because he sucked. If that makes sense.

But the insinuation that someone would pass up this job simply because it could ruin them is, to me, not true. Any time you go to a big time SEC school, you're taking that risk. So it isn't just us. It's that make-or-break characteristic that should make us MORE appealing, not less.

volzfanz said:
Its a difficult place to recruit, but has the best facilities in the country - BAR NONE.
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This sentence strikes me as an oxy moron. Top facilities get recruits.

Fulmer was an unreal recruiter. Knoxville generally is not a hard place to recruit to at all. Unless you just mean right now in particular, with the program down, in which case I agree.
 
#95
#95
governmentmule said:
i guess i should have said in the air, i do miss UTs plane not being able to be tracked :) and I do have to say that Hart has kept a tight lid on names leaking out,he had better at least get a good solid coach or still have that surprise hire still going
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BTW there were twitter reports that we were down to gundy, strong, fedora, and a couple secret candidates.....if any of thats trustworthy.
 
#97
#97
utfan72408 said:
Can't totally agree with you here. I mean, I agree it can make you a rockstar or ruin your career. That part is true. But your career is only ruined if you suck. Dooley sucked, so his career was ruined. But he deserved it because he sucked. If that makes sense.

But the insinuation that someone would pass up this job simply because it could ruin them is, to me, not true. Any time you go to a big time SEC school, you're taking that risk. So it isn't just us. It's that make-or-break characteristic that should make us MORE appealing, not less.



This sentence strikes me as an oxy moron. Top facilities get recruits.

Fulmer was an unreal recruiter. Knoxville generally is not a hard place to recruit to at all. Unless you just mean right now in particular, with the program down, in which case I agree.
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Yeah recruiting right now is difficult. But, i mean the facilities will help offset that problem. I still feel that at this moment in time we are considered a risky job. Unlimited potential, of course but you have to produce right away. 6-6 then 8-4 then 9-3 will do. But thats easier said than done.
 
#98
#98
i would love to know.who the secret candidates are,i think Dooley needed more time as a HC before he came to UT,i do think one day he will be a fine coach for somebody
 
#99
#99
utfan72408 said:
This. Complain about Kiffin and Dooley all you want; there is one man who is a common denominator here, one man who was there through it all. Mike Hamilton. The man has basically single-handedly destroyed our football program, to the point that it has to be built from the ground up. Thanks Mike, and good riddance.
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I am not sure mike is all to blame, I think a lot of our problems stem from cheeks looting the football program for academics, I think if we had all that money it would have been easier to hire better coaches and we wouldn't be in the shape we are in now. Hamilton may have done the best he could with what money he had available.
I wonder how long this has been going on ?
 
#100
#100
volzfanz said:
Yeah recruiting right now is difficult. But, i mean the facilities will help offset that problem. I still feel that at this moment in time we are considered a risky job. Unlimited potential, of course but you have to produce right away. 6-6 then 8-4 then 9-3 will do. But thats easier said than done.
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Okay. I understand you more clearly now. I agree with this. There is plenty of risk, especially at this time.
 
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