NIL Collectives Join Forces

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txbo said:
From the article in the OP....

TCA also hopes to work toward having a verification process and registry of agents who are allowed to work with athletes. Currently, anyone can present themselves as an agent of a college athlete, unlike the NFL where agents must be registered with the NFL Players Association.

The association intend to lobby states for liciensing agents. Limiting competition and ultimately preventing people from working directly with kids. Collectives will get a cut of everything and that I have a problem with.
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I am a professional who has to have a license to do what I do. I represent people. A person can’t represent the people that I do unless they have the extra 3 years of education and pass the exam. That’s to protect people from bad advice.

Again, you can’t have it both ways. Pro players can represent themselves - just like Lamar Jackson. College players can do the same. The issue is that most college players have no idea how to do it. That’s business- a relationship.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I am a professional who has to have a license to do what I do. I represent people. A person can’t represent the people that I do unless they have the extra 3 years of education and pass the exam. That’s to protect people from bad advice.

Again, you can’t have it both ways. Pro players can represent themselves - just like Lamar Jackson. College players can do the same. The issue is that most college players have no idea how to do it. That’s business- a relationship.
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Doing an NIL deal isn't rocket surgery. I don't need a degree to pick up the phone, call preacherman and set up a $2500 autogragh signing with Kirby. Licensing would prevent that.
 
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txbo said:
Doing an NIL deal isn't rocket surgery. I don't need a degree to pick up the phone, call preacherman and set up a $2500 autogragh signing with Kirby. Licensing would prevent that.
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Lol…that’s not the only purpose, but you know that.

1. 99% of UT fans don’t know who preacherman is.

2. If you want to sign a contract for continued payment, you have to know something. What if you decided not to pay Kirby in full? What is his recourse?

It all sounds so easy until it’s not. Real world issues.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Lol…that’s not the only purpose, but you know that.

1. 99% of UT fans don’t know who preacherman is.

2. If you want to sign a contract for continued payment, you have to know something. What if you decided not to pay Kirby in full? What is his recourse?

It all sounds so easy until it’s not. Real world issues.
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It is the purpose. To limit competition and get a cut of every dollar that goes to a kid.

1. So what? That was just an hypothetical example of what would be elliminated.
2. Licensing doesn't prevent that.

It is easy. Contrived issues.
 
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txbo said:
It is the purpose. To limit competition and get a cut of every dollar that goes to a kid.

1. So what? That was just an hypothetical example of what would be elliminated.
2. Licensing doesn't prevent that.

It is easy. Contrived issues.
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Glad you have it figured out. NIL brought all of this on. You either get no money or you get this🤷‍♂️

You know why #1 is important. Agents and collectives have relationships…just silliness. Kids are getting paid who otherwise wouldn’t get paid.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Glad you have it figured out. NIL brought all of this on. You either get no money or you get this🤷‍♂️

You know why #1 is important. Agents and collectives have relationships…just silliness. Kids are getting paid who otherwise wouldn’t get paid.
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No, licensing elliminates all other possible relationships with the unlicensed.
 
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At least I think we can all agree that it is a "high grade problem" that baseball is getting more money for players and for facilities, and that the way the former is implemented is even a question.
 
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Economics 101. To the victor goes the spoils. Expecting a bullpen guy who might throw 20 innings in a season to get the same deal as the Friday starter is unrealistic. And bad business. O-linemen don’t make as much as QBs. Basketball subs don’t make as much as starters. Middle relief guys don’t make as much as closers.This is a business now. To make the big money, you better play a premium position and be very good at it. There is only so much money to go around.
 
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How about any money not big money? The mid level guys get very little to nothing. I’m not saying equal but something. There should be something for all. Without the fielders the pitchers are useless and without catchers the pitchers do not have success. Some have the mindset that most are layers are getting paid. I would say only 4-5 players got paid more than a couple of thousand which went to only 3-4. Most made less than $1,000 and that was only on team stuff. I’m talking starters not bench guys. I think most of you would be surprised who got what.
 
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Why should there be something for all? That is not how capitalism works. If your name, image and likeness is worth something then you make money. If not, then you don’t.
 
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That is not NIL. NIL is commercials, apparel, appearances and signings. That is my beef. Somebody needs to do a better job of getting some other guys money. I’m not talking mine because he tries to work to get other guys to go with him and get some money that may not on their own when he has events. I don’t get why big name guys don’t get this idea. Without those around you, you cannot be successful.
 
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preacherman20 said:
That is not NIL. NIL is commercials, apparel, appearances and signings. That is my beef. Somebody needs to do a better job of getting some other guys money. I’m not talking mine because he tries to work to get other guys to go with him and get some money that may not on their own when he has events. I don’t get why big name guys don’t get this idea. Without those around you, you cannot be successful.
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Goes right back to economics. This is not socialism where everyone gets the same thing. People, many many people, have to recognize you in order for you to make money. To be honest, there in not much NIL money in college baseball because it is still a kind of niche sport. How many people across the country would know who Maui Ahuna is? Or Christian Moore? Very few.
 
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Did anyone really expect people to line up and pass out money to student athletes they’ve barely even heard of?
 
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txbo said:
Speaking of professional sports, NFL agents are limited to 3% and NBA agents are limited to 4%.

These guys are taking 10% from college kids.
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Just to clarify, Pro agents take a 10% to 20% cut on endorsements. The 3% to 4% is for contracts. Either way, I bet your point as I’d rather more go to college athlete—not a middleman.
 
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preacherman20 said:
That is not NIL. NIL is commercials, apparel, appearances and signings. That is my beef. Somebody needs to do a better job of getting some other guys money. I’m not talking mine because he tries to work to get other guys to go with him and get some money that may not on their own when he has events. I don’t get why big name guys don’t get this idea. Without those around you, you cannot be successful.
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It would be great if you got permission to post the baseball players Venmo’s. I‘m sure that a little extra spending money would be appreciated and 100% of it would go directly to the player.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I will add that my problem with some of these organizations/firms is that they are making money off of players who could not make their own decisions. I have a problem with anyone or organization that makes money off of those who need help the most. It is personal for me because I believe they pressured players to sign an agreement using the two things that should never be used in a legit negotiation. Time and pressure from others. I do not use it in my church and have a problem with those who do. I also think they and most other NIL groups do good but I'm not sure the good outweighs the bad for MOST athletes. The ones who everyone will recognize make a lot of money, as they probably should, but when a school connects with an NIL firm it should also greatly benefit the ones who make sure the big names are successful who will not get anything. My son may have as many NIL deals as anyone on campus but he got most, if not all with the help of family and girlfriend, not Spyre or other groups. None of his are paying off his loans but just putting money and smaller items in his pocket which we are extremely grateful for. He also represents some very good businesses that he is proud to give props to and some incredible individuals who have blessed him, especially some on here that have never met us personally. That is why we do the podcast is to give back of our time and efforts to help you guys.
Spyre has set him up at the request of others with events but it was at the person's request not Spyre working on his behalf. I would love to see someone step in and set something up just for the players on all teams that are not getting the money. I wish I knew how to do this and I would jump all over it because the top names are useless without the others. Your QB is not going to effective without the linemen and the back-ups who they practice against every day. The same with baseball. The starting pitchers are only effective when the bullpen guys keep the score where it was when the starters came out. You get the point. We need a collective for the nobody's.
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So everyone gets a participation trophy?
 
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Orange. said:
Check with someone at the school to make sure that's not accidentally a violation. I think it would be. And I know you would, but just reminding. They may have to send images or likenesses or the date of a meetup or something. Idk what would qualify.
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A player spoke to my kid and then took a pic with said kid after a game. Sending them some money as a thank you shouldn’t be a problem as technically it was for name, image, or likeness. Also same thing for NIL events where players show up for autographs and pics. Why shouldn‘t fans be able to make a contribution directly to the athlete vs buying a $40 shirt where they might get $2? Agreed it’s smart to verify that it’s ”legal“ under current t NIL rules, but from what I’ve checked, it’s fine under the current rules. There might be some nuances and those would be great to know beforehand.
A grass roots campaign with zero overhead to support BaseVol players sounds like a good thing to me. 🍊👍😃👊😀🍊👍😃
 
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taylorvol said:
A player spoke to my kid and then took a pic with said kid after a game. Sending them some money as a thank you shouldn’t be a problem as technically it was for name, image, or likeness. Also same thing for NIL events where players show up for autographs and pics. Why shouldn‘t fans be able to make a contribution directly to the athlete vs buying a $40 shirt where they might get $2? Agreed it’s smart to verify that it’s ”legal“ under current t NIL rules, but from what I’ve checked, it’s fine under the current rules. There might be some nuances and those would be great to know beforehand.
A grass roots campaign with zero overhead to support BaseVol players sounds like a good thing to me. 🍊👍😃👊😀🍊👍😃
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Seems like it would be smart to have a stack of cheap baseball cards. Sign one and give to donors just to cover your ass.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Last time I checked, professional agents don’t set up and host podcasts, community events, and spend money to give “members” a benefit for donating to the club. It’s a totally different dynamic.
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So who does that? The team? Is it in the contract? If so, did the agent agree to it?
 
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