NIL has already begun to get out of hand

[LSU-SIU]

But NIL is just individual. What is to unionize? Who’s the employer? I think players will seek payment from schools at some point. They will then realize that I’m only making 50K from my employer, I pay taxes on that, my free education, free lodging, free meals, are all being taxed as a gift and I’m making less than I was before! Student athletes getting paid will not be what they think it is.

The players could organize now, meaning even if not classified as "employees".... they have the ability to work as a group. The schools have no ability to terminate the scholarship based on lack of performance, although they have options to not renew the scholarship at the end of its term.

There is literally nothing stopping all players from doing anything on Saturday, meaning.... failure to perform as a group. The players do not have to perform.

I agree the players will probably organize and push for payments whether or not a court determines they are "employees". Just to let you know there is already lawsuits as to players seeking classification as "employees". Furthermore, none of that will matter when they come to seeking damages under antitrust... which I expect to be huge.

 

[golfballs]

Good grief. And you mocked me for saying lulz.

You think they have that many followers because so many people enjoy watching them play sports?

 

[Lawrence Wright]

That’s where the “image” part of NIL comes into play.

 

[volfanbill]

You think they have that many followers because so many people enjoy watching them play sports?

Having desperate dudes follow them on IG and them getting an only fans account are two totally different things. Paige Bueckers has 830k followers, regardless of why.

 

[peaygolf]

How many members are on VN?
Each of us should pledge $20 for the 1st QB to win the Heisman at Tennessee.

That should bring in some talent

 

[ksgovols]

You are a player. Do you care if Vandy upgrades their facilities when they can give a greater percentage of NIL to a player than Bama can. What if they got a couple of hundred thousand more? Up to now (if you play by the "rules"), the facilities made a difference, because, hypothetically - that's WAS the sales pitch.

I think you're on to something. Will facilities arm races continue or will that money go to NIL's? And Vandy has a $6 billion endowment. If they ever decided to be a player in athletics, the NIL would definitely facilitate that. I'm not sure they ever will, but Corbin has shown them the template.

I'd love for the NIL to be an equalizer for the non revenue sports and get baseball scholarships fully funded for instance via NIL $$$. But that's not what will happen. The 5 star basketball kids will get shoe money and the best of the best football players will get endorsement deals. But the average Joe is going to get pizza money while they are in school. There's no market for their services with a payback. It will just be a donation.

 

[hog88]

Having desperate dudes follow them on IG and them getting an only fans account are two totally different things. Paige Bueckers has 830k followers, regardless of why.

It's naive to think some won't cash in through risque sites.

 

[golfballs]

Having desperate dudes follow them on IG and them getting an only fans account are two totally different things. Paige Bueckers has 830k followers, regardless of why.

Hyperbole, obviously. But there’s nothing stopping them I suppose. NIL is a little different for these babes because they can rake in more followers outside of being basketball players.

 

[TennesseeFan07]

I haven't read up on this thread yet, but any hot female athletes selling themselves yet?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

You think they have that many followers because so many people enjoy watching them play sports?

I wonder what Becca Mann could’ve gotten some years back when she was a Louisville cheerleader?

Those of you unfamiliar, be careful with your Google .

 

[ptcarter]

I think you're on to something. Will facilities arm races continue or will that money go to NIL's? And Vandy has a $6 billion endowment. If they ever decided to be a player in athletics, the NIL would definitely facilitate that. I'm not sure they ever will, but Corbin has shown them the template.

I'd love for the NIL to be an equalizer for the non revenue sports and get baseball scholarships fully funded for instance via NIL $$$. But that's not what will happen. The 5 star basketball kids will get shoe money and the best of the best football players will get endorsement deals. But the average Joe is going to get pizza money while they are in school. There's no market for their services with a payback. It will just be a donation.

I'm 64. OK, I know.. Boomer, old school and all the sterotypes that accompany people of my age. When I was a kid, following college football, it was pure in the context of just being a pickup game between two schools, where the players were students and when the game was over, they just went to class and back to enjoying being in college. None of the Henry T, shopping for a football school or coach. Playing for both Tennessee and Alabama. That never happened - you're were there as a part of "your school". It'll never be that again. I'd go back to that in a heartbeat, but the big $$$ and TV have forever spoiled that and it's fast moving away from what it was a year ago.

On the same note, Super Bowl 1 tickets were 12 bucks and it wasn't a sellout.

 

[volfanbill]

Hyperbole, obviously. But there’s nothing stopping them I suppose. NIL is a little different for these babes because they can rake in more followers outside of being basketball players.

There’s still “action detrimental to the team or university” clauses

 

[golfballs]

There’s still “action detrimental to the team or university” clauses

Do they have clauses they sign to that effect? Funny because I believe on the very same day the Supreme Court ruled on the NCAA case, they also ruled on a case regarding a cheerleader who was suspended from her team for cussing out her school and coach on social media. She sued the school and won. They ruled that the school can’t punish a student for “free speech” outside of the school.

 

[volfanbill]

Do they have clauses they sign to that effect? Funny because I believe on the very same day the Supreme Court ruled on the NCAA case, they also ruled on a case regarding a cheerleader who was suspended from her team for cussing out her school and coach on social media. She sued the school and won. They ruled that the school can’t punish a student for “free speech” outside of the school.

They have to sign off on code of conduct agreements

 

[wmcovol]

More than watch college games. NFL is usually +90% of the most watched events any given year. Sports or not.

And I dont like the NFL.

The networks put nothing on opposite the NFL. Reruns of old movies, Golden Girls and infomercial about a new vacuum cleaner is typically their competition

 

[volfanbill]

The networks put nothing on opposite the NFL. Reruns of old movies, Golden Girls and infomercial about a new vacuum cleaner is typically their competition

Because there’s no competition for it

 

[tnutater]

~$4M annually for a 16-19(10-16) record and first time head coach.

Coaches do not play a single down. Until the Vols get better players we will continue as competition for Vandy as the worst team in the SEC. A 10m$ coach would win very few more games than a 4m$ coach with our roster. Teams with the best roster talent win most of the time.
Until we buy potential NFL level players, we must be happy with 4 OOC wins and a few SEC bottom feeder victories. So far, new coach is not setting the woods on fire in recruiting.
Those that think just hiring a new coach will fix Vol football are naïve.
It was, is and will always be about the players.

 

[woodpusher]

I could be wrong but I think many or most get about a 1000 a month. $500 a month in Pell grants and $500 a month from some slush fund for "cost of college attendance".

I didn't think it was legal to get Pell grants and be on full scholarship....at least it wasn't back in the day....or are "full scholarships" not really "full scholarships" these days?

 

[hog88]

They have to sign off on code of conduct agreements

It would be an interesting case should a school boot an athlete for making money on a porn site. I don't think the school would stand a chance.

 

[n_huffhines]

You think they have that many followers because so many people enjoy watching them play sports?

Who cares? Nobody says anything when it's Joe Flacco attracting the opposite sex.

 

[05_never_again]

I'm 64. OK, I know.. Boomer, old school and all the sterotypes that accompany people of my age. When I was a kid, following college football, it was pure in the context of just being a pickup game between two schools, where the players were students and when the game was over, they just went to class and back to enjoying being in college. None of the Henry T, shopping for a football school or coach. Playing for both Tennessee and Alabama. That never happened - you're were there as a part of "your school". It'll never be that again. I'd go back to that in a heartbeat, but the big $$$ and TV have forever spoiled that and it's fast moving away from what it was a year ago.

On the same note, Super Bowl 1 tickets were 12 bucks and it wasn't a sellout.

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It's a trade-off. In order for the game to go back to how it was, we could go back to 40,000 seat (or less) stadiums, no games on TV, etc.

Over time, a viewing audience has grown to like the game for the same reasons you do, and of course that is going to change the game. It is impossible to turn college sports into a multi-billion dollar monstrosity yet still have the feel of intramurals. We've all played a role, however, tiny, in turning the game into what it is today. For better or worse.

 

[golfballs]

Who cares? Nobody says anything when it's Joe Flacco attracting the opposite sex.

Im all for it. The chicks that is, not Joe Flacco. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

 

[ptcarter]

It's a trade-off. In order for the game to go back to how it was, we could go back to 40,000 seat (or less) stadiums, no games on TV, etc.

Over time, a viewing audience has grown to like the game for the same reasons you do, and of course that is going to change the game. It is impossible to turn college sports into a multi-billion dollar monstrosity yet still have the feel of intramurals. We've all played a role, however, tiny, in turning the game into what it is today. For better or worse.

Very good analysis. Schools had good years and bad years, but it always seemed on any given Saturday, you had a pretty fair shot at winning a game. The Bama/UT series has always been streaky, but in most cases, the streaks were at most a 5 game or so, (Vandy and Kentucky an exception). Now the rich just seem to get richer.

 

[05_never_again]

Very good analysis. Schools had good years and bad years, but it always seemed on any given Saturday, you had a pretty fair shot at winning a game. The Bama/UT series has always been streaky, but in most cases, the streaks were at most a 5 game or so, (Vandy and Kentucky an exception). Now the rich just seem to get richer.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Clemson was kind of a mid-level football power before about 2015 and is now one of the juggernauts of the sport. They've accomplished that in an era where everybody thinks only the established powers can get better.

If Clemson is capable of that, then why isn't Tennessee? All-time, Tennessee was a more accomplished program than Clemson until about 5 years ago.

College football, and college sports generally, has always been controlled at any given point in time by a handful of dominant teams. Over time the teams in control change, but some schools are in control way more than others, and at any given point there are only a handful of schools truly capable of winning a title.

 

[Dudleys87]

JG got a deal. The good ones should be getting millions