No Felony Charges against Smith or Williams

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tenntom1000 said:
not saints >>>>> just college students,representatives of UT and law abiding citizens. Same requirements of all the students at Tennessee. Explain to your children it's OK.
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Well, first off I don't have children yet. Secondly, it is not ok to be drinking and driving because you are endangering others drivers. Thirdly, I would be highly disappointed in my kid if they ever even touched marijuana. Yes, since these athletes are in the spotlight they are held to a higher standard by the media and fans. However, just because golfin blondie is saying that they aren't perfect and neither are any of us, so who are we to criticize them, is no reason to be taking personal shots at her
 
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lylsmorr said:
Well, first off I don't have children yet. Secondly, it is not ok to be drinking and driving because you are endangering others drivers. Thirdly, I would be highly disappointed in my kid if they ever even touched marijuana. Yes, since these athletes are in the spotlight they are held to a higher standard by the media and fans. However, just because golfin blondie is saying that they aren't perfect and neither are any of us, so who are we to criticize them, is no reason to be taking personal shots at her
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Very well said......I could have not said it better. I do have a daughter at Miss State and no I would not want her riding around with them but if she did I would not kick her out for a mistake. I would hope she learn from the mistake. I guess the fans on here expect our athletes to be Jesus and don't not ever make a mistake. You expressed my point nobody is perfect and it what you do afterwards that makes you a person.:rock:
 
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#79
Sorry I made a grammar mistake on the previous post. Please don't kick me off the site.....anyway no I was not a golfer at UT.......I was a majorette.
 
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lylsmorr said:
Well, first off I don't have children yet. Secondly, it is not ok to be drinking and driving because you are endangering others drivers. Thirdly, I would be highly disappointed in my kid if they ever even touched marijuana. Yes, since these athletes are in the spotlight they are held to a higher standard by the media and fans. However, just because golfin blondie is saying that they aren't perfect and neither are any of us, so who are we to criticize them, is no reason to be taking personal shots at her
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I must apoligize??? No, I won't. Our athletes are held to the same standard you just implied you would hold your own children to. No more. No less. Taking shots at blondie?? I don't agree that I did.. Merely a way to make a point.It seems to be working with you.
 
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Geezzz said:
I am sad for our university. Am I the only person around here who thinks we might be one of the most crooked athletic departments in the nation.
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Ah, NO! The police and courts routinely lower non violent charges against youths, all across Tennessee and probably the nation. Why let one charge against a kid cripple him for life? Now if their criminal file grows, you throw the higher charge against them, But to assert UT athletes are getting the benefit of the doubt with the current court system is not correct. Those football players that actually committed a crime against other people, they should face a higher charge, if for nothing else than to deter their present mentality. (that it is OK to rob people). If you haven't noticed the news, it is OK and politically correct to carry a weapon in TN now. Weed is not really a big deal. I think carrying a weapon and weed in a car on New Years eve is just about stupid, but there ya go. These are not the smartest kids around, but they do not deserve more than a wake up call.
 
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tenntom1000 said:
I must apoligize??? No, I won't. Our athletes are held to the same standard you just implied you would hold your own children to. No more. No less. Taking shots at blondie?? I don't agree that I did.. Merely a way to make a point.It seems to be working with you.
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What?
 
#83
#83
tenntom1000 said:
I must apoligize??? No, I won't. Our athletes are held to the same standard you just implied you would hold your own children to. No more. No less. Taking shots at blondie?? I don't agree that I did.. Merely a way to make a point.It seems to be working with you.
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Guys it is okay. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and like I said before I was not a golfer.....I was a majorette and yes I have a daughter their age........and no I was never caught for my crazy stuff as a teenager that is why I am alive today. Well I have put in my 2 cents and I have tough skin but I still believe the way I do. Everyone deserves a second chance at life if they earn the right to it.
 
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golfin_blondie said:
Very well said......I could have not said it better. I do have a daughter at Miss State and no I would not want her riding around with them but if she did I would not kick her out for a mistake. I would hope she learn from the mistake. I guess the fans on here expect our athletes to be Jesus and don't not ever make a mistake. You expressed my point nobody is perfect and it what you do afterwards that makes you a person.:rock:
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Of course, you wouldn't kick her out of school,just out of the car. I can't agree "The Fans on here" expect our athletes to be Jesus like. I certainly don"t. Nor have I suggested anything remotely close to that ideal.
 
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Geezzz said:
God bless a voice of reason. Finally. Some of our fans would look the other way if they shot their own families. I havea good friend who was killed in a drinking and driving accident. I don't think it is a bit funny, and nor will I celebrate, or welcome them back. They are reckless, unappreciative, disrespectful, immature punk kids in my book. You all can celebrate them coming back if you want to, but I will go to no more games, and watch no more UT basketball unless they are gone.
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For me-- I'll let the legal system decide. In the meantime can I have your tickets since you aren't going to be going?
 
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Geezzz said:
Thanks. I am so glad to be apart of this. Let me just say something. Stop it guys. Quit saying speech. I am going to say something.:worship:

I would like to thank the University of Tennessee athletic programs for making this thread happen. I know I might leave some out, but it it were not for the Tennessee football players in their failed attempt to commit armed robbery, countless UT players who seem to always get arrested, our coaches for making an ass of themselves and getting 7 ncaa violations in 1 year and a looming recruiting investigation, and these 4 whippersnapper knuckleheads drinking, drugin, and carrying illegal firearms, this thread would not have been possible. :peace2:
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Just how old are you whippersnapper?? Who calls 19 and 20 year olds whippersnappers? Fortunately, the legal system and the University will decide the outcome for these 4. We will be fine with or without them. You are starting to sound very trollish with your references to minor secondary violations, etc. Seems like your panties are all in a knot. Wish it didn't happen, it did, legal system and UT will work out the specifics and details regarding their dismissals, you being offended and pissed really not part of the equation. Move along here-- nothing more to see.
 
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#87
Well maybe some of them will be back sometime though I doubt it. Either way I say we're going to be facing Kansas without the 4 of them.
 
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#90
I don't see how Tatum survives this. Look for more details to trickle out before he is given the boot...
 
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#91
The gun laws being used against these men are unconstitutional.

The 2nd Amendment does not say "subject to the whims and regulations of the police state."

The Founding Fathers would be considered terrorists in America today, and I am convinced Patrick Henry would not sit idly by while sham security is provided at the cost of our liberty.
 
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#92
Let's hope the legal system does their job appropriately. A felony is a felony and changing it is not the right way to do it. If a felony is what the players committed then make it a felony. Don't change the charge just because they are UT athletes. That is what's wrong with our society, it is a society of "accomodation". Let's not hurt anyone's feelings or destroy their self-esteem. Athletes are citizens like everyone else and should be treated as such. If the University doesn't start taking a firm stance along with how the law is written, then we will become known as "Thug U" like Miami a few years back. Bruce needs to take a similar stance as well. I would rather lose players and maintain a respectable name for the University than keep thugs to better our chances of winning.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
The gun laws being used against these men are unconstitutional.

The 2nd Amendment does not say "subject to the whims and regulations of the police state."

The Founding Fathers would be considered terrorists in America today, and I am convinced Patrick Henry would not sit idly by while sham security is provided at the cost of our liberty.
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So, MHF, are you stating that you think that these kids should be allowed to run around the streets of Knoxville or the UT campus with untraceable handguns? Are you saying that is what the founding fathers would condone? Are you calling the police and the legal system the enemy in this situation? Sure sounds like it. Personally, I find your logic ridiculous. This is not 1776 and the liberty I desire today is the personal freedom of walking down the street without fearing that every ghetto boy has a hidden handgun and an open container.
 
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terrimahan said:
I like how everyone jumps to the conclusion that somehow they got reduced charges because they were athletes. I don't condone legal weapons or drugs but let the justice system work before we throw the boys out or accuse the cops of cheating. Sometimes being high profile athlete hurts you and something a non athlete would have gotten a ticket for an athlete gets much more. Ask plexico buress.
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You could not be more wrong or ignorant. Plaxico Burress inadvertently fired a handgun in a New York City nightclub. He did not have a permit. He was illegally carrying a handgun in a city that has a ZERO tolerance policy against handguns. He was not singled out because of his celebrity. He broke the law and was punished according to those laws.

And don't try to use the "celebrities need protection from the crazies" defense. All he had to do was apply to the city for said legal permit and it would have been granted without hesitation, because of his celebrity status.
 
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secfanclub said:
Let's hope the legal system does their job appropriately. A felony is a felony and changing it is not the right way to do it. If a felony is what the players committed then make it a felony. Don't change the charge just because they are UT athletes. That is what's wrong with our society, it is a society of "accomodation". Let's not hurt anyone's feelings or destroy their self-esteem. Athletes are citizens like everyone else and should be treated as such. If the University doesn't start taking a firm stance along with how the law is written, then we will become known as "Thug U" like Miami a few years back. Bruce needs to take a similar stance as well. I would rather lose players and maintain a respectable name for the University than keep thugs to better our chances of winning.
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I wish people would educate themselves on the actual laws before jumping to conclusions. Please read TCA Section 39. Unless these players were convicted felons or in the commission of a crime, all of these charges are by state definition misdemeanors and they have been correctly charged.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
The gun laws being used against these men are unconstitutional.

The 2nd Amendment does not say "subject to the whims and regulations of the police state."

The Founding Fathers would be considered terrorists in America today, and I am convinced Patrick Henry would not sit idly by while sham security is provided at the cost of our liberty.
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"It says the right to keep and bear arms." You probably thought this gave you the right to wear your best tank top out for Saturday night date at the Cracker Barrel with your slaw dawg girl friend.
 
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carolinaviking said:
So, MHF, are you stating that you think that these kids should be allowed to run around the streets of Knoxville or the UT campus with untraceable handguns? Are you saying that is what the founding fathers would condone? Are you calling the police and the legal system the enemy in this situation? Sure sounds like it. Personally, I find your logic ridiculous. This is not 1776 and the liberty I desire today is the personal freedom of walking down the street without fearing that every ghetto boy has a hidden handgun and an open container.
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Maybe you have artificially extended childhood into the mid 20s. Maybe you believe that adult men should continue to be infantilized and live at home with mommy and daddy after college or get an allowance. These were all men over 21 (18 should be the time period when people are granted every right afforded to an adult).

The police and the legal system are overstepping the bounds of their authority granted under the constitution. The Federal government has no power to regulate drugs constitutionally, but it could be a properly exercised police power of state or local government. The 2nd Amendment does not provide for a right that can be abridged when people feel unsafe from the ghetto boys. It is a right that is guaranteed primarily to protect the people FROM the government and it is an individual right and was long before the Heller case recognized that.
 
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CALISKING said:
I wish people would educate themselves on the actual laws before jumping to conclusions. Please read TCA Section 39. Unless these players were convicted felons or in the commission of a crime, all of these charges are by state definition misdemeanors and they have been correctly charged.
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First of all, I didn't jump to conclusions Mr. Lawyer. I said I hope the system makes the appropriate conviction. If it is a felony call it a felony and don't change it because they are athletes. If they changed the charge appropriately then all is well. You need to educate yourself on reading words carefully and interpreting what you read.
 
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CALISKING said:
"It says the right to keep and bear arms." You probably thought this gave you the right to wear your best tank top out for Saturday night date at the Cracker Barrel with your slaw dawg girl friend.
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Cal I am not sure what a slaw dawg is. I do know that I have probably spent as a guess 25 times as much time as you have reading and understanding Constitutional Law, the Founding Fathers contemporaneous writings, Supreme Court precedent and other relevant Federal, State and local laws dealing with gun control.
 
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