No More "Boy" Scouts

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tumscalcium said:
Didn’t that get lifted?
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They weren't being required to follow the same policy as the rest of the BSA's charters. The Mormons agreed to stick around so long as they didn't have to allow gay leaders.

They bided their time it appears set up their own organization for boys and girls that is more magic underwear friendly.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Why do Mormons not like the Boy Scouts anymore?
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I don't think they dislike scouts. I think they decided that a global church needs a global solution for their youth organization. Members of the church in Costa Rica aren't doing boy scouts...it's an American thing...they just make up their own program for young men. If you know anything about the Mormon church, you know that they are incredibly orderly. They're just making things more globally uniform, which is a value they exude.
 
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hog88 said:
Figure it out smart guy.
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I get you twisted without even trying.

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n_huffhines said:
I don't think they dislike scouts. I think they decided that a global church needs a global solution for their youth organization. Members of the church in Costa Rica aren't doing boy scouts...it's an American thing...they just make up their own program for young men. If you know anything about the Mormon church, you know that they are incredibly orderly. They're just making things more globally uniform, which is a value they exude.
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The Scouting Movement isn't exclusive to the U.S. at all.

There are nearly 40M Scouts across 170 different organizations. The BSA is simply the flavor of the U.S. - they all follow similar guidelines (oath, laws etc...) all but a few admit girls too.
 
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Septic said:
The Scouting Movement isn't exclusive to the U.S. at all.

There are nearly 40M Scouts across 170 different organizations. The BSA is simply the flavor of the U.S. - they all follow similar guidelines (oath, laws etc...) all but a few admit girls too.
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You are right that they are all over the world (although it's not exactly the same organization), but that doesn't necessarily make the logistics of it feasible for people in every part of the world.

Think about the burden of just vetting out 170 different scouting organizations to make sure you should be endorsing/partnering with them. Then consider that some of them are completely insignificant. Mexico has 33,000 members....that's 1/100th of the members per capita the US has.
 
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Septic said:
They weren't being required to follow the same policy as the rest of the BSA's charters. The Mormons agreed to stick around so long as they didn't have to allow gay leaders.

They bided their time it appears set up their own organization for boys and girls that is more magic underwear friendly.
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Ahh
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think they dislike scouts. I think they decided that a global church needs a global solution for their youth organization. Members of the church in Costa Rica aren't doing boy scouts...it's an American thing...they just make up their own program for young men. If you know anything about the Mormon church, you know that they are incredibly orderly. They're just making things more globally uniform, which is a value they exude.
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Did they(Mormons) have to, *or were really encouraged* to do scouts?

What i know about Mormons is that they’re twins, fast, set Washington State high school records and I was with one but liked the other one more.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Did they(Mormons) have to, *or were really encouraged* to do scouts?

What i know about Mormons is that they’re twins, fast, set Washington State high school records and I was with one but liked the other one more.
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Really encouraged would probably be the right way to say it, but I don't think there is any sense of pressure to do it.

I would guess that the replacement program would come with more expectations, much like the youth girls program.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Really encouraged would probably be the right way to say it, but I don't think there is any sense of pressure to do it.

I would guess that the replacement program would come with more expectations, much like the youth girls program.
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Here's the "official" lowdown of the transition.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I would say the main motivation was more innocent and smarter than that, though I think the gay leader thing was a catalyst for thinking of a smarter solution for the church.

The Mormon church is a global church with more members outside the US than within it. The BSA is a national organization and is not an adequate youth program for a global church that is trying to be more inclusive.
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Inclusive my ass.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think they dislike scouts. I think they decided that a global church needs a global solution for their youth organization. Members of the church in Costa Rica aren't doing boy scouts...it's an American thing...they just make up their own program for young men. If you know anything about the Mormon church, you know that they are incredibly controlling. They're just making things more globally uniform, which is a value they exude.
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fyp


Yeah. I know a LOT about that organization. You toe the party line well huff.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I'm an agnostic who has somewhat bitter feelings towards the Mormon church. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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You were obviously LDS at some point. Otherwise you wouldn't have 'bitter' feelings about them. The rest of us don't care all that much. I lived in SLC (Heber actually) for 5 years. I watched Gordon Hinkley preempt the TV show Twin Peaks on KSL because it portrayed the church in a bad light. I have been in libraries there and looked for copies of any book critical of the church only to see them 'checked out' months/years earlier. You say they are inclusive. That statement is as FOS as it comes. Want to join Scouts? Guess where the troop meetings are held? The stakehouse. They want you to toe the line. They want 10% or will kick you out... or at least will not welcome you into the happy handshake club where you pay significantly less than any other 'gentile'. They 'donate' land to build schools. Schools right next to their stakehouses. Schools that don't have multipurpose rooms or auditoriums so that they can take all the kids right over to the nice big one at the stakehouse next door. Oh. Not LDS? Sorry, you're not 'welcome'.
I'll say it again.

Inclusive my ass.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You were obviously LDS at some point. Otherwise you wouldn't have 'bitter' feelings about them. The rest of us don't care all that much.
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And?

I lived in SLC (Heber actually) for 5 years. I watched Gordon Hinkley preempt the TV show Twin Peaks on KSL because it portrayed the church in a bad light.
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You're mad that the church bought TV time to give their point of view?

I have been in libraries there and looked for copies of any book critical of the church only to see them 'checked out' months/years earlier.
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Yeah, this kind of **** is ridiculous.

You say they are inclusive. That statement is as FOS as it comes.
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I didn't say that. I said they are "trying to be more" inclusive. Maybe read everything twice before you freak out.

Want to join Scouts? Guess where the troop meetings are held? The stakehouse.
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There are unaffiliated scout troops, but it's the nature of the beast in Utah. There is nothing nefarious about this. It's just demographics.

They want you to toe the line.
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What church doesn't?

They want 10% or will kick you out... or at least will not welcome you into the happy handshake club where you pay significantly less than any other 'gentile'.
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Why even say the first part when it's 100% false? I'm starting to doubt your "the rest of us don't care" statement.

They 'donate' land to build schools. Schools right next to their stakehouses. Schools that don't have multipurpose rooms or auditoriums so that they can take all the kids right over to the nice big one at the stakehouse next door. Oh. Not LDS? Sorry, you're not 'welcome'.
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No idea what you're talking about. This must be some old man ****, long before my time. But in what way were you not welcome to go to the stakehouse? They always want people to come to church and church activities. That's how they get new members.

I'll say it again.

Inclusive my ass.
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LOL, your entire thesis is based on a misunderstanding of what I was saying.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And?



You're mad that the church bought TV time to give their point of view?

No, they OWN the station, therefore censoring anything that is broadcast that they do not believe in.. But I guess THAT kind of censorship is OK



Yeah, this kind of **** is ridiculous.



I didn't say that. I said they are "trying to be more" inclusive. Maybe read everything twice before you freak out.

Semantics

There are unaffiliated scout troops, but it's the nature of the beast in Utah. There is nothing nefarious about this. It's just demographics.



What church doesn't?

Fair point

Why even say the first part when it's 100% false? I'm starting to doubt your "the rest of us don't care" statement.

Well OK then. stick to that. I know what I saw out there.


No idea what you're talking about. This must be some old man ****, long before my time. But in what way were you not welcome to go to the stakehouse? They always want people to come to church and church activities. That's how they get new members.

They also 'baptise' them after death. Abraham Lincoln is LDS too.

LOL, your entire thesis is based on a misunderstanding of what I was saying.
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Oh, OK. sorry. I'm not really interested in arguing with you today anyway. You win.
 
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