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brittannica said:
I think the way she speaks and her etiquette is part of her brand as a Black woman from Baltimore. It’s seemingly more “real” and less reflective of what academic partners think is marketable, which is an entire side conversation. fwiw, I agree that she could have pursued that, but I think it’s really phenomenal that women’s sports (and social media plays a large role in this) have expanded such that people can try to forge unique paths towards whatever financial success looks like for them.
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Yes! We wouldn’t even be having this discussion/debate.

I brought this up as a debate topic because I’m curious of others POV so it’s good to see!

I can appreciate what you and Amb are saying.

That said, if Angel doesn’t develop some professionalism that’s a non-starter. They won’t put someone on broadcast with a loose tongue like that. Doesn’t matter your color.

I CANNOT remember her name or find her. But there was a young woman on the SEC broadcast panel for women’s basketball last season and the season before. She was awful, never prepared, constantly getting things wrong, talked over co-hosts and was generally just loud and annoying. She was clearly let go this season and does not seem to be working in broadcasting at all anymore. You have to be professional in that game or you’re out, you can’t embarrass yourself, the network and your co-hosts on live tv lol.

Wanna say maybe it was Joy something? Idk
 
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VolBall09 said:
Yes! We wouldn’t even be having this discussion/debate.

I brought this up as a debate topic because I’m curious of others POV so it’s good to see!

I can appreciate what you and Amb are saying.

That said, if Angel doesn’t develop some professionalism that’s a non-starter. They won’t put someone on broadcast with a loose tongue like that. Doesn’t matter your color.

I CANNOT remember her name or find her. But there was a young woman on the SEC broadcast panel for women’s basketball last season and the season before. She was awful, never prepared, constantly getting things wrong, talked over co-hosts and was generally just loud and annoying. She was clearly let go this season and does not seem to be working in broadcasting at all anymore. You have to be professional in that game or you’re out, you can’t embarrass yourself, the network and your co-hosts on live tv lol.

Wanna say maybe it was Joy something? Idk
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I wonder if Flau’jae might actually be able to do both— market herself as a “real” Black basketball player/rapper who has shunned a lot of the kind of traditional ways we expect players to behave but also present herself in this very professional way. Doesn’t hurt that she can undeniably play whereas AR gets imo the ugliest double doubles in the world 😂
 
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Amb3096 said:
The lesson other student athletes, such as the NFL players you cited, can learn from someone like Angel is the hustle mentality. She had to work for her NIL and not just get handed a hefty salary. There's a certain amount of hustle mentality that's needed, and Angel has demonstrated that she has it.
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IMO it's totally unfair to go off on Angel's appearance, speech patterns etc.

But I'd argue much more than hustling for her NIL, Angel got hustled. Yes it made her money, but look at the personal toll it's taken on her. Every racial and cultural cause known to man immediately exploited the Angel/CC crap from last spring for their own purposes. Angel, apparently lacking mature advice at that time, let herself get swept up in the worst of that with seemingly little control and became incredibly polarizing. Which is apparently making her really unhappy now.

Happily, she seems to have grown up alot through it all and seems on a better path now. I hope the best for her.
 
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brittannica said:
I wonder if Flau’jae might actually be able to do both— market herself as a “real” Black basketball player/rapper who has shunned a lot of the kind of traditional ways we expect players to behave but also present herself in this very professional way. Doesn’t hurt that she can undeniably play whereas AR gets imo the ugliest double doubles in the world 😂
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Flau’Jae seems to have her head on straight to me. Seems emotionally stable and kind. Plays hard and lets her game do most of her talking.

Only classless issue she had was the twitter beef with Reese and her mom. So once again, Angel right in the middle of an ugly situation.
 
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brittannica said:
Doesn’t hurt that she can undeniably play whereas AR gets imo the ugliest double doubles in the world 😂
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Bingo. IMO alot of Angel's headlong crash into all this was that her "image" is far ahead of her actual game and much more bankable. Sounds nuts to say about someone who leads the world in double doubles, but Angel knows she has a niche game and apparently always will.

I really think the reset into the WNBA will be good for her in all ways.
 
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brittannica said:
I wonder if Flau’jae might actually be able to do both— market herself as a “real” Black basketball player/rapper who has shunned a lot of the kind of traditional ways we expect players to behave but also present herself in this very professional way. Doesn’t hurt that she can undeniably play whereas AR gets imo the ugliest double doubles in the world 😂
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It was Monica McNutt who drove me nuts on the SEC and ESPN broadcasts.

She was removed from pretty much all telecast work and was the Knicks radio announcer this year.

So apparently I was not the only one who found her aggravating and unprofessional. Her facts were just way off base and half the time she had the wrong name/team/player.
 
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VolBall09 said:
It was Monica McNutt who drove me nuts on the SEC and ESPN broadcasts.

She was removed from pretty much all telecast work and was the Knicks radio announcer this year.

So apparently I was not the only one who found her aggravating and unprofessional. Her facts were just way off base and half the time she had the wrong name/team/player.
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I’m a total hater, so I always appreciate when I can externally validate my dislike 😂
 
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VolBall09 said:
Yes! We wouldn’t even be having this discussion/debate.

I brought this up as a debate topic because I’m curious of others POV so it’s good to see!

I can appreciate what you and Amb are saying.

That said, if Angel doesn’t develop some professionalism that’s a non-starter. They won’t put someone on broadcast with a loose tongue like that. Doesn’t matter your color.

I CANNOT remember her name or find her. But there was a young woman on the SEC broadcast panel for women’s basketball last season and the season before. She was awful, never prepared, constantly getting things wrong, talked over co-hosts and was generally just loud and annoying. She was clearly let go this season and does not seem to be working in broadcasting at all anymore. You have to be professional in that game or you’re out, you can’t embarrass yourself, the network and your co-hosts on live tv lol.

Wanna say maybe it was Joy something? Idk
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Nah, she ended up on MSNBC.
 
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brittannica said:


Meanwhile, UNC fans (not this one 😎) are trying to convince themselves all is fine.
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White was smart to make the move this season.

When we hired Kellie there were several really good openings like UNC.

I think we have a much better chance at getting a great coach with less competition this time.
 
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Amb3096 said:
Do we know for certain that she didn't graduate though?

I actually think that Angel did a lot of things off court that ultimately helped her more than a degree would, even it is in short term only. She got some valuable, real world lessons in building her brand. And let's face it, with the money she's made the last few years in NIL (and probably at least for the next 2-3 years), that's way more than she would have gotten over the next 10-15 years as a working stiff with a bachelor's degree.
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When she gets her degree they will just say she didn’t earn it, trust me they will find a way to be negative.
 
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VolBall09 said:
1 sweet 16 in 5 years and trending the wrong direction.

Just don’t think UNC wants to pay anyone more to do better so they probably stick with her for the long haul unless she starts having trouble fielding a team.
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Completely agree. I also don’t know enough to say, but they were also having NIL issues early on for female athletes. As we see with Kenny Brooks, it makes it hard to retain or hire a winning coach if they don’t have all the tools necessary to recruit top talent. My guess is UNC will remain all-in on soccer, which is also not going well, and basketball just has to do well enough. Having said that, what AD wants to pass up all the eyes and money on wbb right now…
 
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creekdipper said:
NC does have a talented roster coming back if they stay healthy.
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They lose
Baldwin and Collins

I think Covid years are
Rivers, Hayes

Rising Seniors
James

Underclassmen who played
Brooks, Cox

6’4 Collier kinda played


So yeah they lose size but keep their guard core so I see them being tough
 
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glv98 said:
IMO it's totally unfair to go off on Angel's appearance, speech patterns etc.

But I'd argue much more than hustling for her NIL, Angel got hustled. Yes it made her money, but look at the personal toll it's taken on her. Every racial and cultural cause known to man immediately exploited the Angel/CC crap from last spring for their own purposes. Angel, apparently lacking mature advice at that time, let herself get swept up in the worst of that with seemingly little control and became incredibly polarizing. Which is apparently making her really unhappy now.

Happily, she seems to have grown up alot through it all and seems on a better path now. I hope the best for her.
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Don’t think Kim M. Was very helpful to her as she navigated that situation.
 
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Did anyone else hear Lobo call Sue Bird the best passer of all time the other day? Bird isn’t even top 10. I never ever understood the appeal there.

Steady, no nonsense, good shooter, great passer but she just doesn’t tickle my fancy at all.
 
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VolBall09 said:
Did anyone else hear Lobo call Sue Bird the best passer of all time the other day? Bird isn’t even top 10. I never ever understood the appeal there.

Steady, no nonsense, good shooter, great passer but she just doesn’t tickle my fancy at all.
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I thought Sue was great. Really heady Pg who could play both sides of the court, was a very efficient passer but a dangerous scorer who could create her own shot. Rarely made mistakes. Probably the most complete PG of the 2000s, maybe 2010s too.
 
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