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[Amb3096]

Vic Shaeffer would leave Texas? Where would the greener pastures be?

Other than him, who else are the "big name" coaches?

I'll amend my statement to include Vic with those 4. But those aren't the only 5 big name coaches: Scott Rueck (Ore St), Kevin McGuff (OSU). Jeff Waltz (Louisville), Cori Close (UCLA), and Lindsay Gottlieb (USC) off the top of my head.

In any event, I think Kellie bought herself another year by finishing strong. Next year, she won't have Rickea so it really will be her Waterloo. The pieces she has returning plus Cooper and Boyd aren't going to make noise in the SEC or nationally, so if she doesn't land a big name transfer, then she'll be on the hot seat for sure.

 

[Lucy]

With conference realignments, I can see many, many coaches open to jumping ship to greener pastures. Other than Geno, Kim, Dawn or Tara leaving their programs, nothing else would surprise me at this point,

I agree with the four you mentioned as big name coaches and that they are not going anywhere. My question really was who are the “big name” coaches who would move?? Supposedly KY is looking for one and a very verbal but very small group on here pine for one.

 

[Lucy]

I'll amend my statement to include Vic with those 4. But those aren't the only 5 big name coaches: Scott Rueck (Ore St), Kevin McGuff (OSU). Jeff Waltz (Louisville), Cori Close (UCLA), and Lindsay Gottlieb (USC) off the top of my head.

In any event, I think Kellie bought herself another year by finishing strong. Next year, she won't have Rickea so it really will be her Waterloo. The pieces she has returning plus Cooper and Boyd aren't going to make noise in the SEC or nationally, so if she doesn't land a big name transfer, then she'll be on the hot seat for sure.

Hold on looking something up!

 

[chuckiepoo]

I agree with the four you mentioned as big name coaches and that they are not going anywhere. My question really was who are the “big name” coaches who would move?? Supposedly KY is looking for one and a very verbal but very small group on here pine for one.

Yep. Drive bys don’t count. Plenty of those.

 

[Lucy]

I'll amend my statement to include Vic with those 4. But those aren't the only 5 big name coaches: Scott Rueck (Ore St), Kevin McGuff (OSU). Jeff Waltz (Louisville), Cori Close (UCLA), and Lindsay Gottlieb (USC) off the top of my head.

In any event, I think Kellie bought herself another year by finishing strong. Next year, she won't have Rickea so it really will be her Waterloo. The pieces she has returning plus Cooper and Boyd aren't going to make noise in the SEC or nationally, so if she doesn't land a big name transfer, then she'll be on the hot seat for sure.

Okay this was really fast but:
Scott Rueck Oregon State 14 years
Win % at OS 67.4% Conf only 58.6%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA result
12-8 First round
17-14 NIT quarters
13-18 none
Kevin McGuff. OSU approx 10 years
Win % at OSU 63.9% Conf only 61.3%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
25-7 second round
28-8 sweet sixteen
25-5 elite eight
Cori Close UCLA approx 12 years
Win % at UCLA 67.3 conf only 64.8
Last 2 complete seasons and NCAA results
(I messed up and only got last 2 complete, I’ll get those in a min.)
18-13. NIT champs
27-10 sweet sixteen
Lindsay Gottlieb USC 4 years
Win % at USC 65.5% conf only 54.7%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
12-16 none
21-10 none
26-5 first round

For comparison
Kellie Harper UT 5 years
Win % at UT 67.7%, conf only 60.8%
17-8 second round
25-9 sweet sixteen
25-12 sweet sixteen

Please someone tell me if theses are big name coaches then why isn’t Kellie as well!
Also remember Kellie played SC and LSU numerous times when looking at conf win% comparison
I went really fast getting this info so I’m sorry if there is an error. I think they are good but will change If need be

 

[brittannica]

Okay this was really fast but:
Scott Rueck Oregon State 14 years
Win % at OS 67.4% Conf only 58.6%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA result
12-8 First round
17-14 NIT quarters
13-18 none
Kevin McGuff. OSU approx 10 years
Win % at OSU 63.9% Conf only 61.3%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
25-7 second round
28-8 sweet sixteen
25-5 elite eight
Cori Close UCLA approx 12 years
Win % at UCLA 67.3 conf only 64.8
Last 2 complete seasons and NCAA results
(I messed up and only got last 2 complete, I’ll get those in a min.)
18-13. NIT champs
27-10 sweet sixteen
Lindsay Gottlieb USC 4 years
Win % at USC 65.5% conf only 54.7%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
12-16 none
21-10 none
26-5 first round

For comparison
Kellie Harper UT 5 years
Win % at UT 67.7%, conf only 60.8%
17-8 second round
25-9 sweet sixteen
25-22 sweet sixteen

Please someone tell me if theses are big name coaches then why isn’t Kellie as well!

I went really fast getting this info so I’m sorry if there is an error. I think they are good but will change If need be

I’ve definitely thrown out Lindsey Gottleib and Cori Close before as replacements for Kellie to my partner only to the pull up their wiki pages and back down when I saw their results. I think the culture of our team and program, as we saw last weekend, is really good, and I’d only want to tamper with that if we know we can both maintain the culture and have better results.

 

[Lucy]

Okay this was really fast but:
Scott Rueck Oregon State 14 years
Win % at OS 67.4% Conf only 58.6%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA result
12-8 First round
17-14 NIT quarters
13-18 none
Kevin McGuff. OSU approx 10 years
Win % at OSU 63.9% Conf only 61.3%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
25-7 second round
28-8 sweet sixteen
25-5 elite eight
Cori Close UCLA approx 12 years
Win % at UCLA 67.3 conf only 64.8
Last 2 complete seasons and NCAA results
(I messed up and only got last 2 complete, I’ll get those in a min.)
18-13. NIT champs
27-10 sweet sixteen
Lindsay Gottlieb USC 4 years
Win % at USC 65.5% conf only 54.7%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
12-16 none
21-10 none
26-5 first round

For comparison
Kellie Harper UT 5 years
Win % at UT 67.7%, conf only 60.8%
17-8 second round
25-9 sweet sixteen
25-22 sweet sixteen

Please someone tell me if theses are big name coaches then why isn’t Kellie as well!
Also remember Kellie played SC and LSU numerous times when looking at conf win% comparison
I went really fast getting this info so I’m sorry if there is an error. I think they are good but will change If need be

Okay Cori Close first of three years
17-6 second round

 

[glv98]

Please someone tell me if theses are big name coaches then why isn’t Kellie as well!

Curious what those coaches' records are against ranked teams. I think that's the biggest problem for Kellie - can't win the big games. Never more painfully brought home than Saturday. There's also the higher expectations of the brand. Serious recruiting problems add to the mix.

Next year will be the third straight year we've said it will be her Waterloo. Without another significant portal haul, and with a much stronger SEC, next season looks very tough. I think sheeze gets real for her at that point. I hope she overcomes it all, she seems to be an incredible person. Never been prouder of the culture.

 

[Lucy]

Okay my research for the night is over!
Was actually very interesting. As I pointed out earlier in the season only 7 programs have as good as or better NCAA record over the last three years than us. Grass meet greener grass over there.

 

[Amb3096]

Okay this was really fast but:
Scott Rueck Oregon State 14 years
Win % at OS 67.4% Conf only 58.6%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA result
12-8 First round
17-14 NIT quarters
13-18 none
Kevin McGuff. OSU approx 10 years
Win % at OSU 63.9% Conf only 61.3%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
25-7 second round
28-8 sweet sixteen
25-5 elite eight
Cori Close UCLA approx 12 years
Win % at UCLA 67.3 conf only 64.8
Last 2 complete seasons and NCAA results
(I messed up and only got last 2 complete, I’ll get those in a min.)
18-13. NIT champs
27-10 sweet sixteen
Lindsay Gottlieb USC 4 years
Win % at USC 65.5% conf only 54.7%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
12-16 none
21-10 none
26-5 first round

For comparison
Kellie Harper UT 5 years
Win % at UT 67.7%, conf only 60.8%
17-8 second round
25-9 sweet sixteen
25-22 sweet sixteen

Please someone tell me if theses are big name coaches then why isn’t Kellie as well!
Also remember Kellie played SC and LSU numerous times when looking at conf win% comparison
I went really fast getting this info so I’m sorry if there is an error. I think they are good but will change If need be

My original comment was in response to the Kentucky head coach, not Tennessee. I brought up Kellie because that's where creekdipper seemed to be taking the conversation in his reply to my comment.

It's no secret I wasn't a fan of hiring Kellie in the first place, and up to now, still haven't bought into the fact that she's capable of righting the ship. It is what it is. If she stays next year, then I'll continue to support the team but not have high expectations. But if they let her go at the end of the season, I won't shed tears either.

Stats aside, has Kellie ever exceeded expectations at UT the way that Lindsay or Scott did this year?

 

[Amb3096]

Curious what those coaches' records are against ranked teams. I think that's the biggest problem for Kellie - can't win the big games. Never more painfully brought home than Saturday. There's also the higher expectations of the brand. Serious recruiting problems add to the mix.

Next year will be the third straight year we've said it will be her Waterloo. Without another significant portal haul, and with a much stronger SEC, next season looks very tough. I think sheeze gets real for her at that point. I hope she overcomes it all, she seems to be an incredible person. Never been prouder of the culture.

Her job was basically saved when she was able to convince Rickea to stay for an extra year. The irony of it is that she was always going to be a top 5 WNBA pick whether she went last year or this year. So she got some extra money, but the season has been kind of a mess and they are positioned to do worse in the NCAAT this year than they did last year, barring beating a highly seeded player on the road.

 

[Lucy]

My original comment was in response to the Kentucky head coach, not Tennessee. I brought up Kellie because that's where creekdipper seemed to be taking the conversation in his reply to my comment.

It's no secret I wasn't a fan of hiring Kellie in the first place, and up to now, still haven't bought into the fact that she's capable of righting the ship. It is what it is. If she stays next year, then I'll continue to support the team but not have high expectations. But if they let her go at the end of the season, I won't shed tears either.

Stats aside, has Kellie ever exceeded expectations at UT the way that Lindsay or Scott did this year?

I understand re: Kentucky but I just wanted to see what a “big name” coach looked like. Compared to your list they look a lot like Kellie. I think Kellie exceeded expectations this year with Rikea missing a third of the season and TK only up to speed the last 10 games.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Okay this was really fast but:
Scott Rueck Oregon State 14 years
Win % at OS 67.4% Conf only 58.6%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA result
12-8 First round
17-14 NIT quarters
13-18 none
Kevin McGuff. OSU approx 10 years
Win % at OSU 63.9% Conf only 61.3%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
25-7 second round
28-8 sweet sixteen
25-5 elite eight
Cori Close UCLA approx 12 years
Win % at UCLA 67.3 conf only 64.8
Last 2 complete seasons and NCAA results
(I messed up and only got last 2 complete, I’ll get those in a min.)
18-13. NIT champs
27-10 sweet sixteen
Lindsay Gottlieb USC 4 years
Win % at USC 65.5% conf only 54.7%
Last 3 complete seasons and NCAA results
12-16 none
21-10 none
26-5 first round

For comparison
Kellie Harper UT 5 years
Win % at UT 67.7%, conf only 60.8%
17-8 second round
25-9 sweet sixteen
25-12 sweet sixteen

Please someone tell me if theses are big name coaches then why isn’t Kellie as well!
Also remember Kellie played SC and LSU numerous times when looking at conf win% comparison
I went really fast getting this info so I’m sorry if there is an error. I think they are good but will change If need be

Bringing the data! Nice work, Sister!

 

[Lucy]

Bringing the data! Nice work, Sister!

Grazie!

 

[glv98]

Stats aside, has Kellie ever exceeded expectations at UT the way that Lindsay or Scott did this year?

At the beginning of the year, one of the national writers called Kellie's LVs 'consistently underwhelming' and I think fairly or unfairly, that's the perception.

Her job was basically saved when she was able to convince Rickea to stay for an extra year. The irony of it is that she was always going to be a top 5 WNBA pick whether she went last year or this year. So she got some extra money, but the season has been kind of a mess and they are positioned to do worse in the NCAAT this year than they did last year, barring beating a highly seeded player on the road.

Actually a year ago today Rickea announced she was coming back. LOL a remember where you were moment. I think she's is a better player for having stayed. She's played much better against the elite teams so far this year than last, and has really developed her passing and even defensive games. Also I think she's generally been happy, having the same coach and teammates for the first time.

It is ironic that the season has been a mess, mostly because of her injury.Nothing that's happened has hurt her draft stock though. Earl would know better, but I don't think she regrets coming back. And it definitely saved Kellie's bacon this yr, or at least put off Waterloo for another year.

 

[Amb3096]

I understand re: Kentucky but I just wanted to see what a “big name” coach looked like. Compared to your list they look a lot like Kellie. I think Kellie exceeded expectations this year with Rikea missing a third of the season and TK only up to speed the last 10 games.

Tennessee was a pre-season top 10 team, even knowing that Tamari was working her way back from her health issues. I think they were even picked ahead of SC in most preseason polls. Many of us here thought they had a real shot at winning the SEC regular season.
They finished 4th in the SEC (and 5th for seeding purposes behind Alabama because of the tiebreaker) with Rickea available for the entire conference season for a team. And this is in a down year for the SEC, so that makes it even worse on paper.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Tennessee was a pre-season top 10 team, even knowing that Tamari was working her way back from her health issues. I think they were even picked ahead of SC in most preseason polls. Many of us here thought they had a real shot at winning the SEC regular season.
They finished 4th in the SEC (and 5th for seeding purposes behind Alabama because of the tiebreaker) with Rickea available for the entire conference season for a team. And this is in a down year for the SEC, so that makes it even worse on paper.

…oof…

 

[glv98]

They finished 4th in the SEC (and 5th for seeding purposes behind Alabama because of the tiebreaker) with Rickea available for the entire conference season for a team.

Really though, that difference was two awful games, TAM and ALA, probably two of the worst games of Rickea's career. Ole Miss wasn't great, but we were competitive there and we always knew that would be a tough game. I think everyone expected Rickea to come right back and consistently be her old self and we'd never lose an SEC game except So Car and maybe LSU. Those expectations were a little too high.

Also, this team had a lack of confidence hangover from the repeated beatings while Rickea was out that took a long, long time to overcome.

All that said, so far both regular season and tourney results have been a slight step back. Last chance to turn that around.

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

Keep believing that fantasy that Jeff Walz and his agent were hypnotizing their AD and our gullible fans with. He was never leaving Louisville and Tennessee would have never hired him based on past interactions with him...

If Walz goes to Kentucky I will be insufferable to everyone who told me UT would never have a chance to land him. Dude would’ve crawled to Knoxville. Damn you Fulmer.

 

[chuckiepoo]

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[volnationnj]

My thanks to: glv88, Amb3096, Lucy, chuckiepoo and some others.
It's for having an adult conversation, about the possibility of a coaching change, without the use of invectives or ad hominem attacks.
A breath of fresh air. Thank you all.

 

[Volfan2012]

Seriously, not snarky, who is an available big name coach?

That is the line they gave from their AD and then the list was not so big time. Shawn Poppie, Molly Miller, Jeff Walz, Carly Dudonis, and Greg Todd. Only name I see on that list that could be considered big time is Walz. Three strong up and coming coaches are Miller. Dudonis, and Poppie. It will have to be an untested at this level coach like Poppie. Miller has won big but this is the SEC, Dudonis the same at a lower level school. Also put in Mathew Mitchel as coming back and Sam Purcell who is at Miss St.

Anyone they get will be unproven except Walz and Mitchell to some extent. Molly Miller is going to get a Power five job and so Is Poppie and Dudonis don't know where or when.

 

[Volfan2012]

…of course they will.

Molly Miller, Shawn Poppie, or Dudonis big names in the kiddie leagues.

 

[glv98]

Also put in Mathew Mitchel as coming back and Sam Purcell who is at Miss St.

I think we can safely say there will be no coaching search this year. But if there was, you can cross Sam off the list. His team crashed disastrously this year. I like him, but this season was a step way back for his coaching prospects.

That whole list is so mid. I just don't see them replacing KJH certainly now nor in the future with anyone unproven. Why bother?

 

[Volfan2012]

I think we can safely say there will be no coaching search this year. But if there was, you can cross Sam off the list. His team crashed disastrously this year. I like him, but this season was a step way back for his coaching prospects.

That whole list is so mid. I just don't see them replacing KJH certainly now nor in the future with anyone unproven. Why bother?

It is going to be millions a year to get a more established coach to change from where they are. Coaches like McGuff, Walz, maybe even Vic would leave for the right money. That would be a lot of money. Some of the Pac12 coaches would be available for a couple million. Looking at what Miller, Poppie, and Dudonis have done they would be my first choice to see if it relates to the big time. Always comes down to recruiting for them and actually everyone.