Non-Lady Vol Basketball News 2024-25

[Bballnut1952]

Love that movie.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Lady Vols move up to #4 in the Massey ratings…
Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings

 

[Bballnut1952]

i've also seen other programs stay put/move up after long hiatuses like it counted just as much as a win

I'm just curious what you think voters should do with teams that miss so many games.

Movement in the polls has as much to do with what teams immediately above you and below you when you don't play that week.

 

[VolBall09]

i've also seen other programs stay put/move up after long hiatuses like it counted just as much as a win

Yeah that can’t happen. It has to stop. It was obviously an issue last season. It’s glaringly obvious it’s a problem this year. Last season the team driving me nuts was USF. They sat at #13 for WEEKS without playing a game. When they started playing again they had a distinct advantage over their conference opponents having a high rank beside their name that they did not deserve.

Arizona has been the same this season. I could not for the life of me understand how they were just sitting in the top 5 without playing.

Poorly managing your roster/COVID should not be an excuse to leave teams stagnant in the polls. IMO if teams miss 2 consecutive games they should drop from the top 25 and have to play their way back in.

If they play well on return they will obviously move up the rankings quickly. If they don’t, they don’t. But they should not sit in the top 25 not playing games.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

I'm just curious what you think voters should do with teams that miss so many games.

Movement in the polls has as much to do with what teams immediately above you and below you when you don't play that week.

depends on the length but if teams below them are winning move them passed them.... We saw that with both uconn and AZ so maybe not be #4 in the polls but drop to #7-8 maybe not stay at #11 but drop down to #13-14. Because there is movement that is going on below those teams that should have been rewarded.

 

[LadyVols_WBK]

So Baylor almost lost to the Kansas a team we would’ve beaten handidly if Kellie hadn’t played her bench in the 2nd quarter after we got a huge lead

 

[chuckiepoo]

So Baylor almost lost to the Kansas a team we would’ve beaten handidly if Kellie hadn’t played her bench in the 2nd quarter after we got a huge lead

I wonder what positive effect that may have had on the team?

 

[Bballnut1952]

depends on the length but if teams below them are winning move them passed them.... We saw that with both uconn and AZ so maybe not be #4 in the polls but drop to #7-8 maybe not stay at #11 but drop down to #13-14. Because there is movement that is going on below those teams that should have been rewarded.

I get that. I think pollsters tend to not punish teams for not playing. Maybe the thinking is that those teams didn't do anything to lose their spot.

It's really an inexact science. And a lesson in futility to figure out what they will do on a given week.

UConn dropped 8 spots with two losses before their Covid issues stopped games. I wonder if they will do the same to Kentucky?

 

[Volfan2012]

The NET rankings cannot be the main way that the selection committee is going to pick the seeds. If this were true right now NC is a number one seed. How many teams ranked below NC could beat them? Probably at least 20. I certainly like a ranking system I am not confused by and actually is meaningful to where you will be in the NCAA Tourney. The polls are just for fans don't have any real meaning as far as the NCAA Tourney. Rankings like the NET are supposed to be the valid way for determining seedings. I liked RPI and SOS better much easier to understand why teams were where they were. I know it is still a long way to go, but for some reason it really gripes me that NC us fourth in the NET and their coach has the nerve to say they are there because they have earned it. I totally beg to differ with that comment.

 

[Volfan2012]

Oregon vs UConn today starts as 4 central. Going to be a close game as Oregon is getting closer to full strength still don't know what kind of team they are. I don't think beating Arizona is as huge as it seems because Arizona has been playing some close game with teams all season that are not that great. Going to be fun to watch Oregon is talented just not getting much out of that talent this year because of injuries. We'll see if that is changing with many players back today.

 

[LadyVols_WBK]

Oregon vs UConn today starts as 4 central. Going to be a close game as Oregon is getting closer to full strength still don't know what kind of team they are. I don't think beating Arizona is as huge as it seems because Arizona has been playing some close game with teams all season that are not that great. Going to be fun to watch Oregon is talented just not getting much out of that talent this year because of injuries. We'll see if that is changing with many players back today.

I want UConn to lose but one of SC “ranked wins”was against a injury laden Oregon team that was ranked #9 ( what a joke) if Oregon wins they may sneak back into the top 25

 

[Bballnut1952]

Oregon vs UConn today starts as 4 central. Going to be a close game as Oregon is getting closer to full strength still don't know what kind of team they are. I don't think beating Arizona is as huge as it seems because Arizona has been playing some close game with teams all season that are not that great. Going to be fun to watch Oregon is talented just not getting much out of that talent this year because of injuries. We'll see if that is changing with many players back today.

With everyone back for Oregon and playing at home, you have to make them the favorite for sure. PaoPao is a terrific guard and the duo of Sabally and Prince are a tough matchup for any team.

 

[creekdipper]

Watching the UNC vs UND game this morning since I missed it yesterday.

UNC lost this game toward the end of the third and it is 100% Banghart’s fault. UNC had the momentum down 2 48-50 with about 1:00 remaining in the third.

One of the UNC guards knocked the ball loose but Westbeld very obviously got to it first. The UNC player shoved her to the ground and a foul was called. Banghart spent 2 minutes arguing with the officials and looking incredulous over what was, I thought, a very obvious call. Both in live action and after the replay. Instead of refocusing her team she continued to argue with Dee Kantner about the call.

Meanwhile UND pushed their lead back to 6 with two Westbeld FTs and a quick score. The rest was history.

I thought Banghart severely hurt her team by not calling a time out while ND came from behind and went on a major run to build a decent lead. NC would cut that lead down to make it a one-possession game, but it was too late.

I know the current popular trend let teams play through adversity (we've seen Kellie do the same), but this occasion seemed to be especially glaring.

 

[VA_VOLFAN]

I get that. I think pollsters tend to not punish teams for not playing. Maybe the thinking is that those teams didn't do anything to lose their spot.

It's really an inexact science. And a lesson in futility to figure out what they will do on a given week.

UConn dropped 8 spots with two losses before their Covid issues stopped games. I wonder if they will do the same to Kentucky?

They are back to playing now and actually played two really really good teams . I don't think they drop as much as some might think. They could.... but i don't know plus the rhyne howard effect.

If they don't drop out... i think the Lady Vols should be put in the top 4 since it was a top 25 win without their center for half the game. I know they won't vault of Louisville who struggled with BC most of the game yesterday. But this team is playing with a chip so i hope they keep putting us where we are.

 

[LadyVols_WBK]

I don’t care about rankings really I just wanna see our Lady Vols hoist a trophy at the end of the season because that’s all anybody will remember

 

[chuckiepoo]

I don’t care about rankings really I just wanna see our Lady Vols hoist a trophy at the end of the season because that’s all anybody will remember

…calling number nine…
Wonder if sec shorts will continue through basketball season?

 

[VolBall09]

I thought Banghart severely hurt her team by not calling a time out while ND came from behind and went on a major run to build a decent lead. NC would cut that lead down to make it a one-possession game, but it was too late.

I know the current popular trend let teams play through adversity (we've seen Kellie do the same), but this occasion seemed to be especially glaring.

Would agree. I agree with not calling timeouts unless absolutely necessary due to the media break and quarter breaks. Really feel that with 7 built in timeouts (including halftime) you should be able to keep things sorted out.

If your team is just not playing well or you’re losing ground in a close game you’ve gotta use one though.

Really liked the timeout Kellie called in the third quarter. We built a lead but subbed and immediately let off the gas. The timeout really refocused our team and we finished them off after.

Thought we needed a very similar timeout in the fourth against Vandy for our subs. Even though the game was out of reach at that point they were not focused.

Ralph using two in the first quarter was the other end of the spectrum. Her team seemed to play worse and not better after the timeouts and so early in the game it just didn’t make sense. Really think she’s in over her head as a head coach. Her recent pressers she seems too emotionally involved. She still has a player mindset rather than a coach’s mindset.

 

[creekdipper]

With everyone back for Oregon and playing at home, you have to make them the favorite for sure. PaoPao is a terrific guard and the duo of Sabally and Prince are a tough matchup for any team.

Oregon's improvement since the return of key players illustrates the futility of recent arguments about whether wins against opponents who were ranked at the time we beat them should count for less when those teams fall out of top 25. Injuries, COVID, transfers, etc. can majorly impact any team's efficiency. A weakened team now doesn't mean that the team wasn't legitimately ranked earlier; conversely, a hampered team earlier shouldn't hold back ranking of a team in recovery mode.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Oregon's improvement since the return of key players illustrates the futility of recent arguments about whether wins against opponents who were ranked at the time we beat them should count for less when those teams fall out of top 25. Injuries, COVID, transfers, etc. can majorly impact any team's efficiency. A weakened team now doesn't mean that the team wasn't legitimately ranked earlier; conversely, a hampered team earlier shouldn't hold back ranking of a team in recovery mode.

Regardless, most “ranking” systems are pretty subjective with built in bias.

 

[chuckiepoo]

UConn this afternoon at Oregon, plus Covid makeup game, UGA at Mizzou.
Georgia vs Missouri Women's Basketball Game Summary - January 17th, 2022 | NCAA.com

 

[stlvolsfan]

The players who left Tennessee are really flourishing right? Westbrook, Collins, Massengill. They definitely made the right choice they would have never developed at Tennessee. Now they have a legit chance to win a title while the #5 Lady Vols are only 17-1.

I never fault a kid for doing what they think is best for them. However, it’s clear those choices worked out best for Tennessee. We have a group who wants to be here. They’ve bought in to Kellie’s system and it speaks volumes in games. Another one you didn’t mention was Salary. I was expecting big things from her, but she looks the same as she did last year. Probably would be better at a mid-major.

 

[VolBall09]

I never fault a kid for doing what they think is best for them. However, it’s clear those choices worked out best for Tennessee. We have a group who wants to be here. They’ve bought in to Kellie’s system and it speaks volumes in games. Another one you didn’t mention was Salary. I was expecting big things from her, but she looks the same as she did last year. Probably would be better at a mid-major.

I don’t think Coach Yo is going to do much at Ole Miss. She brought a lot of excitement and recruiting to begin with but as that excitement wanes we are getting a look at what kind of teams she’ll have.

Players are not developing from where they started with her. Austin is no better and maybe a little worse than when she came to Ole Miss. They have about 10 identical guards that play very similarly. They have some length and quickness that makes them tough defensively but I even see that waning.

If they do not pull a talented big (or two really) from the portal they are going to be in for a world of hurt next season. Salary will be trying to guard TK. I don’t see any way Austin returns for another year even though they have an asterisks next to her name on the roster indicating she could. She isn’t getting any better and looks disinterested.

 

[chuckiepoo]

I don’t think Coach Yo is going to do much at Ole Miss. She brought a lot of excitement and recruiting to begin with but as that excitement wanes we are getting a look at what kind of teams she’ll have.

Players are not developing from where they started with her. Austin is no better and maybe a little worse than when she came to Ole Miss. They have about 10 identical guards that play very similarly. They have some length and quickness that makes them tough defensively but I even see that waning.

If they do not pull a talented big (or two really) from the portal they are going to be in for a world of hurt next season. Salary will be trying to guard TK. I don’t see any way Austin returns for another year even though they have an asterisks next to her name on the roster indicating she could. She isn’t getting any better and looks disinterested.

Grad transfer?

 

[LadyVols_WBK]

The more we keep winning the more I’m confident we can take down South Carolina. UConn too but like someone said we have to break the mental wall that’s holding us back when facing UConn

 

[VolBall09]

Grad transfer?

It’s going to have to be a grad transfer or a transfer in general. Because they are not brining in size in their 2022 class.

As others have mentioned I think she was banking on them landing Janiah Barker but that didn’t happen.

She may have a tough time snagging a talented post from the portal. I suspect they will be middle of the road in the SEC again. Several really good teams, including the Lady Vols, will likely be hitting the portal for a post. Also suspect we will not see as many transfers after the great migration last season.

To see the same transfer numbers this year would mean a ton of players would be transferring again after only a season with their new team. Just don’t see that happening. There are fewer bigs in general and I feel like it’s less common to see post players transfer.