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McCowan and Vivians have turned out better than their Tennessee counterparts this season, but would anyone have said the same thing before the season started? Vivians has been dismissed as a bricklaying volume shooter for 3 years on this board, and most everyone was saying Nared was better. No one was predicting what McCowan would become either. Didn't McCowan want to play for Tennessee but wasn't offered?

Also worth noting that neither of them were top 20 recruits, and most of the roster is comprised of lightly recruited unranked players, outside of those two and Johnson.

Myah Taylor 5 Star

Tierra Mcgowan 5 Star

Jordan Danberry 5 Star

Victoria Vivians 5 Star

Nyah Tate 4 Star

Per ESPN.
 
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Myah Taylor 5 Star

Tierra Mcgowan 5 Star

Jordan Danberry 5 Star

Victoria Vivians 5 Star

Nyah Tate 4 Star

Per ESPN.

Hoopgurlz gives players who are ranked in the 50s five stars, so that doesn't say much. But Tennessee does have 5 players (or six, depending on which ranking you use for Kasi) who were top 20 recruits to zero for MSU, as well as 6 McD AAs compared to zero for MSU.

I can't believe you're actually try to convince yourself that MSU's talent was anywhere near Tennessee's. However, you're free to use the argument that #24 Vivians and #49 McCowan have become better players than #6 Nared and #1 Russell over the course of their careers...which says more about player development than about the players themselves.
 
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Most 5 Star players, including the over hyped McDonald's All Americans, turn out to be average college basketball players.

Only a very few of them turn out to be ELITE college basketball players.
 
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Most 5 Star players, including the over hyped McDonald's All Americans, turn out to be average college basketball players.

Only a very few of them turn out to be ELITE college basketball players.

So Tennessee just had bad luck in getting a bunch of players who were overrated in college, UConn lucked out they never recruited a top 10 bust and all their lower ranked players were really better than their rankings, and MSU lucked out that their #24 and #49 ranked HS players were really top 5 players in their class.

Got it.👍👌

(Blue font)Hopefully, Holly can stop being victimized by all of these overhyped recruits she's been getting and can finally get a player who is as good as their high school ranking suggests (blue font)
 
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Myah Taylor 5 Star

Tierra Mcgowan 5 Star

Jordan Danberry 5 Star

Victoria Vivians 5 Star

Nyah Tate 4 Star

Per ESPN.

Myah Taylor may be one of the best players they've ever recruited, but she's redshirting this and hasn't played a single minute. Nothing to do with injury either. Coach Schaefer asked her to redshirt since she would be 3rd or 4th on the pg depth chart this year.
 
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So Tennessee just had bad luck in getting a bunch of players who were overrated in college, UConn lucked out they never recruited a top 10 bust and all their lower ranked players were really better than their rankings, and MSU lucked out that their #24 and #49 ranked HS players were really top 5 players in their class.

Got it.👍👌

(Blue font)Hopefully, Holly can stop being victimized by all of these overhyped recruits she's been getting and can finally get a player who is as good as their high school ranking suggests (blue font)
+100000 I really hope Holly gets players that can put the ball in the basketball at the college level! (no blue font) (caught the TRIED sarcasm) 👍🤙🤘
 
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+100000 I really hope Holly gets players that can put the ball in the basketball at the college level! (no blue font) (caught the TRIED sarcasm) 👍🤙🤘

Well...I didn't even try to hide it.

It's a shame that all of these top 20 players that Holly recruited over the last 6 years haven't lived up to their hype. There's always next year, right?
 
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Andra Espinoza Hunter, freshman recently evicted by UConn, has signed up with Mississippi State, sparing Holly the opportunity to ... err... uhhh....
 
Andra Espinoza Hunter, freshman recently evicted by UConn, has signed up with Mississippi State, sparing Holly the opportunity to ... err... uhhh....

That's a huge pickup for MSU. I take it she'll be eligible after the first semester? She'll basically slide right into Vivians' role as a perimeter threat. Even if she's not as good as Victoria, she should still be good enough to punish teams that swarm McCowan.

MSU loses 4 starters, but they have a solid replacement at PG, PF and now the wing. That plus a trio of talented freshmen. If whoever is tabbed to play SG can develop a credible perimeter threat, they will be the favorite to repeat as SEC champs.

EDIT: Just saw that she has to be enrolled for 1 year before she's eligible, so I guess that means she won't be suiting up until after next season. MSU's road to repeating their likely SEC championship just got tougher.
 
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That's a huge pickup for MSU. I take it she'll be eligible after the first semester? She'll basically slide right into Vivians' role as a perimeter threat. Even if she's not as good as Victoria, she should still be good enough to punish teams that swarm McCowan.

MSU loses 4 starters, but they have a solid replacement at PG, PF and now the wing. That plus a trio of talented freshmen. If whoever is tabbed to play SG can develop a credible perimeter threat, they will be the favorite to repeat as SEC champs.

EDIT: Just saw that she has to be enrolled for 1 year before she's eligible, so I guess that means she won't be suiting up until after next season. MSU's road to repeating their likely SEC championship just got tougher.

I think Vic seeks a waiver if he feels she can help him like Muffet did with Sheppard. Because of Geno comments (essentially saying if you are not going to do it the UConn way he will get rid of you) I think he wins his case.

If would look as she was kicked out of the school due to lack of performance as oppose to seeking to transfer.

Just my belief and his comments are on record.
 
Uconn just beat WS Shockers by 81. Scrimmage before the Louisville game.

Who has the best shot of beating UCONN in the tournament? Baylor, ND, Texas, Louisville, Mississippi state?
 
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Uconn just beat WS Shockers by 81. Scrimmage before the Louisville game.

Who has the best shot of beating UCONN in the tournament? Baylor, ND, Texas, Louisville, Mississippi state?

Just like last year, UConn lacks height and depth. They will struggle against tall teams such as Baylor, Texas, and Mississippi State.
 
they (UCONN)are bigger than you think. 6'6" center, > 6' forwards and wing, 6' pg.

you want to see a little team, try Arkansas.
 
Who has the best shot of beating UCONN in the tournament? Baylor, ND, Texas, Louisville, Mississippi state?

Good question. I fully expect UConn to boat-race Louisville Monday. From what I have seen Baylor might be the best of the rest....
 
The team w/ the best guard play beats UConn. Just like every other team that has beaten UConm in the past 15 years. It is rarely height or depth that causes defeat. It is the inability to effectively stop the other teams guards.
 
Lindsay Spann out the rest of the year for USC due to a knee injury. Graduate transfer who played in 15 of the gamecocks 24 games. She sat out 2013-14 season played 3 seasons at penn state and grad transferred this past summer to be eligible this year so that would be her 4th year playing 5th total. Unless she gets some kind of miraculous miracle 6th season i would assume she is done? Dawn said about Te’a who wants to stay in college 6 years? Well maybe for a Masters Degree she would ?

Oh FL is up on USC 28-18 with 4 min left in the 2nd qtr. I guess the SEC coaches were right. You can look at a team’s record if you want but records can go out the window...
 
Lindsay Spann out the rest of the year for USC due to a knee injury. Graduate transfer who played in 15 of the gamecocks 24 games. She sat out 2013-14 season played 3 seasons at penn state and grad transferred this past summer to be eligible this year so that would be her 4th year playing 5th total. Unless she gets some kind of miraculous miracle 6th season i would assume she is done?

If she has played in 15 games this season, as you said, she would have used up her entire year's eligibility. The NCAA has a formula which equates to approximately 9 or 10 games. Any more games than that counts as a full year at South Carolina (and her fourth). Petitioning for a sixth season is only applicable for those young women who have yet to play their four years of basketball (like Cooper or Jacki Gemelos).
 
If she has played in 15 games this season, as you said, she would have used up her entire year's eligibility. The NCAA has a formula which equates to approximately 9 or 10 games. Any more games than that counts as a full year at South Carolina (and her fourth). Petitioning for a sixth season is only applicable for those young women who have yet to play their four years of basketball (like Cooper or Jacki Gemelos).

Thank you! I know that Drey Mingo who transferred from MD to Purdue played over the amount and got a sixth year the NCAA said of an extenuating circumstance (ie bacterial meningitis) which cut her season short and almost took her life. I know this isn’t as serious but I knew she played over the allowed limit as well. No one argued her getting a 6th year and ignored I remember the cosbes around the league wrote letters for her to be able to continue eligibility.
 
Thank you! I know that Drey Mingo who transferred from MD to Purdue played over the amount and got a sixth year the NCAA said of an extenuating circumstance (ie bacterial meningitis) which cut her season short and almost took her life. I know this isn’t as serious but I knew she played over the allowed limit as well. No one argued her getting a 6th year and ignored I remember the cosbes around the league wrote letters for her to be able to continue eligibility.

Yes and no. Drey Mingo was granted a sixth year in order to use up her fourth year of eligibility, but it had nothing to do with her battle with meningitis and subsequent hearing loss. The NCAA allows a student athlete five years in order to play four. The clock starts ticking in the fall of freshman year.

Year #1: 2007-2008. She played at the University of Maryland.

Year #2: 2008-2009. She played at the University of Maryland.

Year #3: 2009-2010. She transferred to Purdue and was required to sit out a year under NCAA regulations.

Year #4: 2010-2011. She played at Purdue. She contracted meningitis and missed four games while hospitalized, but returned to the team and competed in 29 games this season. Because she played in more games than the minimum, it counted as a year of her eligibility.

Year #5: 2011-2012. She tore her ACL in a preseason scrimmage and missed the entire season. She did not play in a single regular season game.

Her five-year timeline has now expired, but she only used up three years of eligibility, having missed a season because of transferring and a second season because of her ACL injury. Her life-threatening bout with meningitis was not a factor. She petitioned the NCAA for a sixth year in order to use her last year of eligibility. They granted it.

Year #6: 2012-2013. She played at Purdue as a sixth-year graduate student.

Any athlete that plays in more than the NCAA minimum (it used to be 30% of regular season games) loses a year of eligibility. The NCAA did, in fact, count Drey's year when she suffered with meningitis as a year of used eligibility because she competed in 29 games that season. However, like Cooper, she missed one year when transferring and one year with a knee injury.
 
New recruit to check out....

Eniya Russell 5’9” guard Baltimore Maryland 2020.

Averaging 22 points and 5 rebounds per game.

Being recruited by South Carolina, Maryland, Louisville, Kentucky, Georgetown.
 
Tonight is Louisville at UCONN. UCONN by at least 18.

Can someone tell me how UCONN wound up in the conference they are in now? I believe the Big East broke up as a conference and some went to the ACC and others went elsewhere?
 
Tonight is Louisville at UCONN. UCONN by at least 18.

Can someone tell me how UCONN wound up in the conference they are in now? I believe the Big East broke up as a conference and some went to the ACC and others went elsewhere?

I don't believe it was UConn's choice to stay in the AAC, as they wanted to go to the ACC but were blocked...ironically by Boston College...and Pitt was added to the ACC instead.

The selection of schools was largely decided by football, and UConn's football team probably didn't meet the criteria they were looking for since it was a very immature Div I program. I think the move to the AAC was a factor in UConn's men's team spiralling downward, but the women's team has yet to be affected.
 
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I don't believe it was UConn's choice to stay in the AAC, as they wanted to go to the ACC but were blocked...ironically by Boston College...and Pitt was added to the ACC instead.

The selection of schools was largely decided by football, and UConn's football team probably didn't meet the criteria they were looking for since it was a very immature Div I program. I think the move to the AAC was a factor in UConn's men's team spiralling downward, but the women's team has yet to be affected.

Not only that but UCONNs academics played a part in them being blocked as well. We have certain schools (I can’t think of the name) like Vandy, Mizzu, and a couple more that are considered academically prestigious (there are like 4 n the SEC) and they have a special name... dang it can’t remember. The ACC has Duke, Wake, and like 4 more schools that fit this criteria so they are provided extra credit some how with having these schools in theIr conference and maintaining certain academics. UCONNs academics played apart and remember their basketball team and football team weren’t meeting that NCAA criteria and were on probation and Kevin Ollie got it up to status quo for b-ball. All that was going on during the shift to the AAC.

Fun fact : did anybody know that GA TECH was a memeber of the SEC from 1932-64? Tulane was also a member!
 
Not only that but UCONNs academics played a part in them being blocked as well. We have certain schools (I can’t think of the name) like Vandy, Mizzu, and a couple more that are considered academically prestigious (there are like 4 n the SEC) and they have a special name... dang it can’t remember. The ACC has Duke, Wake, and like 4 more schools that fit this criteria so they are provided extra credit some how with having these schools in theIr conference and maintaining certain academics. UCONNs academics played apart and remember their basketball team and football team weren’t meeting that NCAA criteria and were on probation and Kevin Ollie got it up to status quo for b-ball. All that was going on during the shift to the AAC.

Fun fact : did anybody know that GA TECH was a memeber of the SEC from 1932-64? Tulane was also a member!

Interesting, thanks. I didn't realize academics played a role in it. Truthfully, I didn't think of UConn as being lower on that totem pole than FSU or Miami.

And surely you're including BC as one of those elite ACC academic institutions, right? 👍

For the SEC, I'd guess UGA should be up there academically...maybe UF too?
 

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