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A perspective on what went wrong and what can be fixed:
Reality check: Analyzing Tennessee after UConn loss

Some underestimate Kellie. From the article:

Tennessee’s starting five:
  1. Jordan Walker (two years ago, she was in the MAC starting at Western Michigan at the two-guard spot)
  2. Tess Darby (3-star recruit)
  3. Jordan Horston (5-star recruit; No. 2 player in the class of 2019)
  4. Alexus Dye (last year, she was starting at Troy)
  5. Tamari Key (5-star recruit; No. 47 in the class of 2019)
So, let’s be objective and honest: Harper and her coaching staff have done an elite job of getting this team to 19 wins with ONLY four losses. This is the definition – and epitome – of “coaching them up.”
 
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Uhhhh...... I'l try again. There are some posters here who are saying that the 18-1 start was a mirage, and that the 1-3 record in the last four games is not a mirage, and is more telling than the 18-1 start. I'm trying to make the point that is logically inconsistent. I hope this helps.
Speaking of logically inconsistent. We lost to UConn who was more talented (your words) Is Florida more talented? Or Auburn?
 
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Speaking of logically inconsistent. We lost to UConn who was more talented (your words) Is Florida more talented? Or Auburn?

So if a team is more talented than another, it is always supposed to win against a team like that? This is a sport with a round ball that bounces funny ways. Talent is obviously not the only variable that determines winners.
 
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So if a team is more talented than another, it is always supposed to win against a team like that? This is a sport with a round ball that bounces funny ways. Talent is obviously not the only variable that determines winners.
I understand that. I’m quoting your words, not mine.
 
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We were beaten today by a better team, the product of a long established elite program. They're more athletic, deeper, and more talented. Kellie has not had time to build that kind of program yet. Until she does, why can't you support her and stop unfairly attacking her?
Nice post!…. Can’t fix stupid.
 
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Uhhhh...... I'l try again. There are some posters here who are saying that the 18-1 start was a mirage, and that the 1-3 record in the last four games is not a mirage, and is more telling than the 18-1 start. I'm trying to make the point that is logically inconsistent. I hope this helps.
The point I’m trying to make 19-4 is a great record. 8-2 in the SEC is a great record. Both good records to have when February arrives. Good job. But don’t let that record fool you when we’ve been trending downward, quickly! 1-3 in the last 4 and had to have OT to get that 1 win.
 
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I hope the sticky on forum rules is gone because they are being updated.
 
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That's because there has not been enough time under this coach to re-establish us as a final four program. To expect her to beat FF caliber teams in her third year is unrealistic. At 19-4, we are making good progress. Why are you not satisfied with good progress? What drives you to make unreasonable demands of elite excellence by others? Do you demand (and get) that kind of elite excellence from yourself?
Unreasonable demands are not what im asking for. Im asking for being able to dribble and chew gum at the same time. Not make lazy passes game in and game out. Run some form of offense that doesnt consist of dribble dribble dribble force a shot. An offense where our players arent constantly playing the one on one i can do it alone mentality. Thats all on the coaching staff that has more than 3 years as a head coach. Do i expect them to be a final four team this year. NO. But i did expect after 23 games that they would quit making these dumb plays that shouldnt be made as upperclassman. You sunshine pumpers kept saying the same thing under Holly. Nothing has changed with fundamentals.
 
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Unreasonable demands are not what im asking for. Im asking for being able to dribble and chew gum at the same time. Not make lazy passes game in and game out. Run some form of offense that doesnt consist of dribble dribble dribble force a shot. An offense where our players arent constantly playing the one on one i can do it alone mentality. Thats all on the coaching staff that has more than 3 years as a head coach. Do i expect them to be a final four team this year. NO. But i did expect after 23 games that they would quit making these dumb plays that shouldnt be made as upperclassman. You sunshine pumpers kept saying the same thing under Holly. Nothing has changed with fundamentals.

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Unreasonable demands are not what im asking for. Im asking for being able to dribble and chew gum at the same time. Not make lazy passes game in and game out. Run some form of offense that doesnt consist of dribble dribble dribble force a shot. An offense where our players arent constantly playing the one on one i can do it alone mentality. Thats all on the coaching staff that has more than 3 years as a head coach. Do i expect them to be a final four team this year. NO. But i did expect after 23 games that they would quit making these dumb plays that shouldnt be made as upperclassman. You sunshine pumpers kept saying the same thing under Holly. Nothing has changed with fundamentals.

So, are you saying you'd rather see pristine basketball than ugly wins?
 
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The point I’m trying to make 19-4 is a great record. 8-2 in the SEC is a great record. Both good records to have when February arrives. Good job. But don’t let that record fool you when we’ve been trending downward, quickly! 1-3 in the last 4 and had to have OT to get that 1 win.

Fair enough.
 
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Unreasonable demands are not what im asking for. Im asking for being able to dribble and chew gum at the same time. Not make lazy passes game in and game out. Run some form of offense that doesnt consist of dribble dribble dribble force a shot. An offense where our players arent constantly playing the one on one i can do it alone mentality. Thats all on the coaching staff that has more than 3 years as a head coach. Do i expect them to be a final four team this year. NO. But i did expect after 23 games that they would quit making these dumb plays that shouldnt be made as upperclassman. You sunshine pumpers kept saying the same thing under Holly. Nothing has changed with fundamentals.
I think it is reasonable to say that we all clearly understand that you find this team and coaching staff woefully inadequate. The players make dumb plays, they can’t dribble etc.
We also clearly understand you have a problem with “sunshine pumpers” aka optimists.
As someone who is optimistic by nature and about the team and staff I can tell you that this group has brought me a lot of fun and joy. The wins for sure, the return to being part of the national conversation, the possibility of making some post season noise. I also get a kick out of their youthful, goofy exuberance, their daring and ever changing hair and make up forays, the obvious sisterhood they share as Lady Vols. Are there frustrations? Absolutely! But those disappointments and frustrations are so minor in comparison. So I’d rather be a pollyannish sunshine pumper and have some fun being a fan than someone for whom being a fan is a net negative. I do not believe I am alone in this approach to being a fan.
 
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I think it is reasonable to say that we all clearly understand that you find this team and coaching staff woefully inadequate. The players make dumb plays, they can’t dribble etc.
We also clearly understand you have a problem with “sunshine pumpers” aka optimists.
As someone who is optimistic by nature and about the team and staff I can tell you that this group has brought me a lot of fun and joy. The wins for sure, the return to being part of the national conversation, the possibility of making some post season noise. I also get a kick out of their youthful, goofy exuberance, their daring and ever changing hair and make up forays, the obvious sisterhood they share as Lady Vols. Are there frustrations? Absolutely! But those disappointments and frustrations are so minor in comparison. So I’d rather be a pollyannish sunshine pumper and have some fun being a fan than someone for whom being a fan is a net negative.
Problem with fans like you is that if someone makes an observation they are clearly anti fans or nega fans. I love the lady vols as much as anyone which is why I never miss a game. But I'm sorry if you all accept 19-4 as being top tier. The record is awesome. Better than 4-19. But what you all don't get is that 19-4 is great but they still aren't close to beating South Carolina or UCONN. They should have beat UCONN with their depleted roster. And if the had brought their A game they would have. Turnovers and mental mistakes that's all on coaching. If it was being addressed 23 games into the season we as fans would see improvement. But it continues game in and game out. 2008 was their last final four. 14 year doubt. And it will not happen this season. Lack of talent isn't about hating on the players. It's about being realistic. Lady Vols need a talent upgrade. If you can't see that I can't help you understand. Tired of you all accepting the decline to middle of the pack and being ok with it and complaining to fans who want more.
 
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Problem with fans like you is that if someone makes an observation they are clearly anti fans or nega fans. I love the lady vols as much as anyone which is why I never miss a game. But I'm sorry if you all accept 19-4 as being top tier. The record is awesome. Better than 4-19. But what you all don't get is that 19-4 is great but they still aren't close to beating South Carolina or UCONN. They should have beat UCONN with their depleted roster. And if the had brought their A game they would have. Turnovers and mental mistakes that's all on coaching. If it was being addressed 23 games into the season we as fans would see improvement. But it continues game in and game out. 2008 was their last final four. 14 year doubt. And it will not happen this season. Lack of talent isn't about hating on the players. It's about being realistic. Lady Vols need a talent upgrade. If you can't see that I can't help you understand. Tired of you all accepting the decline to middle of the pack and being ok with it and complaining to fans who want more.
You evidently enjoy your anger and misery, have at it.
 
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So, are you saying you'd rather see pristine basketball than ugly wins?
I would rather see a team improve and shows signs of a competent coaching staff. Why is CH so against calling timeouts to stop runs by opposing teams? If you look at the schedule and at least 8 other games could have easily went the other way. Would 11-12 be considered ok? Yes they won those 8 games. But those 8 games should have never went down to the wire. So forgive me if i demand more from a second place SEC team that was ranked #4. You confuse my desire for these girls to improve for hate or anger towards them. Im no different than and diehard fan. For those who say lift them up and support them through the down times. We are not here trying to pile on them and keep them down. We are expressing our concerns for why the bad habits from Hollys teams keep happening in year 3 of Harpers tenure. My goal is to see them win every game the same way South Carolina does. But there is either a talent gap or a coaching gap. Either way Go Lady Vols and beat Missouri.
 
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Sadly the lady vols fanbase has witnessed this pathetic play so long that they are fooled into thinking a 19-4 record means that there cant be anything wrong. Anyone can see the problems on the court. This team had 8 other games that could have easily put them at 11-12 on the season. When they are spanked at South Carolina maybe they will see how far recruiting has fallen and how far the distance between top teams and where the lady vols are actually at.
 
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I think there is a level of emotional fatigue as well. Lots of close games, bunches of come from behind victories, all of a sudden top five, projected 1 seed, national COY talk. RAe out, Rae in, Key out, Key in Kenyon out, out.
If I were Kellie, dangerous territory I know, I would reset the season. We are now 0-0. Practices would be in small segments with each kid understanding and verbalizing what they need to focus on/accomplish in each segment. Same with games. We need to win the time from the tip off to the first media time out. In that five minutes our goal is to have no more than 2 TOs and Key should touch the ball in the paint at least three times etc.
I just find small, easily understood goals stave off being overwhelmed and if you get only one turnover and Key got the ball three times and made two buckets then you have some immediate confidence. If you don’t reach your goal, you’ve got another five minute segment to try again.
I’m certainly no coach but I have used this process in project management.

Great post Lucy. A very good strategy. It’s time for a reset. Everything this team has accomplished still counts. But it’s time to start over and prepare for second season.
 
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At the beginning of the season we were considered a borderline top 16 team for the NCAA Tourney and here we are a borderline top 16. When it comes to talent there is South Carolina and then everybody else in the SEC. We match up quite well with every other team in the SEC no more talent than the other three or four better teams and no less. I wanted desperately to be one of the top 16 and play NCAA at home, but if it does not happen were in the tourney already done enough to make it.
 
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Kellie has done a great job so far. It is not surprising that the people who want the LVs to fail are some of her biggest detractors. Those non fans can easily be detected. Just look at who wrote the cruel things and more importantly, who liked those hate posts. No mystery here. Kellie inherited a difficult situation and has risen above the hate directed at her to give the fans hope.
 
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Aladywhovolunteer wrote:
"you better believe Auburn and Florida burned the midnight oil to have a scouting report that was fool proof."


Did Tennessee burn the midnight oil to have a scouting report that was fool proof? The final score would indicate otherwise.

I hear you, can you hear me? Coach Harper's players tell us that Kellie works all the time. I"ll take their word for it.

Kellie told us in her press conference, after reviewing film on Florida, that they were one of the best teams in the conference. I'll take her word for it...we were beaten soundly.

In an earlier post, I said our offensive has regressed some with injuries and loss of players. Buring midnight oil want replace players, unfortunately.

We have not found a replacement answer for Green's lost product. Which is the elephant in the room. We are now finishing games in the fifties instead of the sixties. That trend line starts with Keyen's injury.

I suspect Kellie's time and (midnight oil) is being spent on alternatives that currently do not reside in Knoxville. I know I would.
 
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Kellie has done a great job so far. It is not surprising that the people who want the LVs to fail are some of her biggest detractors. Those non fans can easily be detected. Just look at who wrote the cruel things and more importantly, who liked those hate posts. No mystery here. Kellie inherited a difficult situation and has risen above the hate directed at her to give the fans hope.
criticism doesnt mean you hate the program the players or the coach. bottom line every failure or victory is the coaches responsibility and she would agree with that. questioning why fundamentals have continued to plague their play is on the coach. lack of an offensive system that plays to the strength of the team is on the coach. like Key getting few touches while other players do this i can do it on my own crap game in and game out. this team has so many careless unforced turnovers every game. thats on the coach. i love this team and have been very vocal about the upside and the downside. i have said in the past that i thought Darby had no business on the floor. And i ate my crow to that one. She has proved my wrong. She started moving on offense hunting her shot and she has become a good rebounder and defender. But whats hurting this team right now is lack of leadership. Call me crazy but i think going into this season Burrell thought she was the leader or one of the leaders of this team and it all fell to Horston. Now that Burrell is back she is forcing the game instead of letting it come to her. And Horston is trying her best to shoulder the weight and sometimes she forces it as well. Walker shows up one game for 17 points and disappears for the next 3 or 4 games. And Green was apparently the true leader of this team because her injury coincides with this losing 3 of 4. I have confidence Harper is the right coach for the job. But bottom line win or lose the Coach is the one responsible for the team. Hopefully she figures out what the issues are and gets them back on track. Time to take down those Tigers and they are going to be tough even in Knoxville.
 
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[QUOTE="Aladywhovolunteer, post: 20895640, member: 74473"

]I hear you, can you hear me? Coach Harper's players tell us that Kellie works all the time. I"ll take their word for it.

Kellie told us in her press conference, after reviewing film on Florida, that they were one of the best teams in the conference. I'll take her word for it...we were beaten soundly.

In an earlier post, I said our offense has regressed some with injuries and loss of players. Burning midnight oil wont replace players, unfortunately.

We have not found a replacement answer for Green's lost production. Which is an elephant in the room. We are now finishing games in the fifties instead of the sixties. That trend line started with Keyen's injury.

I suspect Kellie's time (and midnight oil) is being spent on game solutions that currently do not reside in Knoxville. I know I would.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, don't have an edit button...will try and fix my error and grammar by reposting.
 
That's because there has not been enough time under this coach to re-establish us as a final four program. To expect her to beat FF caliber teams in her third year is unrealistic. At 19-4, we are making good progress. Why are you not satisfied with good progress? What drives you to make unreasonable demands of elite excellence by others? Do you demand (and get) that kind of elite excellence from yourself?
I said all along that this fan base, in part, have unreal expectations of KJH. She took over a program headed to the bottom feeder position. Before she ever accepted the job, she knew it would take more than three years to turn this program around. The team started heading middle of the pack during the last three years of Pat’s head coaching. Holly took over, and though, for the most part, the coaching staff did an outstanding job recruitment wise. The problem was the lack of coaching and leadership. Talent was wasted and the team went into a tailspin. Holly, sadly should have been replaced at least three years before she was eventually terminated. Don’t get me wrong Holly is a good person and a Lady Vol to the point she bleeds Orange, but has a severe lack of head coaching leadership. KJH has actually taken a team with less talent than Holly had to work with and made them, for the most part, competitive. She should be given more credit than many of the fan base are willing to give her.
 

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