Notre Dame

[rockytop9808]

Your very passionate about this, been a ND fan long?

What I'm passionate about is people making retarded arguments.

 

[drodvol]

What I'm passionate about is people making retarded arguments.

Some people see the glass half full others half empty. Its all a matter of opinion. I see ND's schedule as weaker then the average SEC schedule. Thats my opinion, nothing more nothing less just an opinion. :hi:

 

[Dekram]

For those of you that think ND has a week schedule you need to read my post earlier in this thread. It can be argued they had a tougher Schedule than either GA or ALA. I think Alabama can beat ND not as sure about Georgia.

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

dekram and orangeluvr get it. Barely beating pitt doesn't make ND a bad team. They had a bad week and needed some luck (Stoerner fumble anyone?) to get the NC game. Bama or UGA better be ready for a fight.

The winner of the SECCG will play nd for the nc. Taking nd for granted is a bad mistake, they are solid on both sides of the ball.

Agreed. ND plays great defense. They run the ball, well. ND's offense is not going to dazzle either. They do not shoot themselves in the foot. They win the kicking game. They just hang around, and wait for you to make mistakes. Then they capitalize on your mistakes, and BOOM!!! You lose 23-17, or something.Both Alabama or UGA had better take them seriously.

 

[drodvol]

Agreed. ND plays great defense. They run the ball, well. ND's offense is not going to dazzle either. They do not shoot themselves in the foot. They win the kicking game. They just hang around, and wait for you to make mistakes. Then they capitalize on your mistakes, and BOOM!!! You lose 23-17, or something.Both Alabama or UGA had better take them seriously.

It will be the NC game, they will take it serious. I can't see either Ga or bamer going into this game un-prepared. I hope it's Ga I can't stand bamer. Ga will put more points on the board then they. It will not be close IMHO. Don't think ND can prepare enough to withstand whats coming their way.

 

[Neylandsmaxims]

It will be the NC game, they will take it serious. I can't see either Ga or bamer going into this game un-prepared. I hope it's Ga I can't stand bamer. Ga will put more points on the board then they. It will not be close IMHO. Don't think ND can prepare enough to withstand whats coming their way.

ND has enough to keep it close, and, God-forbid, if UGA or Bama turns it over, or gets a punt blocked, or blows a coverage, or get an untimely penalty, have a chance to win it. Go SEC!! eace2:

 

[k-town_king]

For those of you that think ND has a week schedule you need to read my post earlier in this thread. It can be argued they had a tougher Schedule than either GA or ALA. I think Alabama can beat ND not as sure about Georgia.

Your earlier post gave ND credit for better wins when you shouldn't have. Most of the games you gave to ND , UA actually had the more impressive victory.

 

[douglas67]

ND has a tough schedule. I dont care what anybody thinks. They will give either Alabama or Georgia all they want. I'm not a ND kool-aid drinker either. I think to even qualify for a BCS NC game you should at least play for a Conference Championship? Im glad the Little 10 woke up and realized this. Otherwise OSU could have been there every year.

 

[therealUT]

Your earlier post gave ND credit for better wins when you shouldn't have. Most of the games you gave to ND , UA actually had the more impressive victory.

How does one come to the conclusion that winning in Norman is not at least as impressive as winning in Baton Rouge, this season? Further, how does one come to the conclusion that beating Stanford is not more impressive than beating...wait for it...wait for it...Mississippi State?

Alabama did not beat A&M. Moreover, for those making the ridiculous argument that Alabama handled Michigan more thoroughly than ND did (remember, Michigan trailed by multiple possessions by the end of the first quarter in each game, and ND is not a team that is going to put up 30 points in most games), and, therefore, Alabama is a better team, how do you reconcile such a view with the fact that OU beat Texas by 42, Texas beat Ole Miss by 35, A&M beat Ole Miss by only 3, and Bama lost to A&M by 5?

For the record, I do not think those relationships mean very much; I do think that OU is a good team, every bit as good as A&M, Florida, and Georgia. I also think that Stanford is a good team. I also think that Notre Dame beat every team they played against and they did not have a weak schedule. Alabama beat almost every team it played against, and I do not think that Alabama had a tougher schedule than Notre Dame. Alabama had two tough opponents; they beat one. Notre Dame had two tough opponents; they beat two.

 

[VolsZealot]

You have to be a total idiot to not think Notre Dame's schedule isn't tough!! If they were in the SEC this year, they would DEFINITELY BE 1 OF THE TOP 2 TEAMS!! I don't care how many teams from the SEC are ranked in the top 5, Norte Dame's schedule is tougher than anybodys in our conference. BTW....they play ZERO FBS TEAMS!!

actually it has allready been reported that florida had the toughest schedule in the ncaa this year.

 

[zreeves]

even if notre dame was as talented as alabama (which they aren't) saban has proved time and time again that when alabama has time to prepare, they are almost unbeatable. if notre dame can even get double digit points, i will be surprised

 

[VolsZealot]

It will be the NC game, they will take it serious. I can't see either Ga or bamer going into this game un-prepared. I hope it's Ga I can't stand bamer. Ga will put more points on the board then they. It will not be close IMHO. Don't think ND can prepare enough to withstand whats coming their way.

I cant stand ND.. the only team I think I like less is Florida or any kiffin coached team.. However I think ND has a better chance of winning than any team in the past few years has had against the SEC. Saban or Richt will have their teams prepared just not sure they will be prepared enough.

 

[therealUT]

even if notre dame was as talented as alabama (which they aren't) saban has proved time and time again that when alabama has time to prepare, they are almost unbeatable.

Saban has proven this?

2008: Three weeks to prepare for Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Utah beat Alabama 31-17
2010: Two weeks to prepare for LSU. LSU beat Alabama 24-21.
2011: Two weeks to prepare for LSU. LSU beat Alabama 9-6.

Saban is not unbeatable with time to prepare. Again, Alabama's hopes ride on McCarron's arm.

 

[PKT_VOL]

How does one come to the conclusion that winning in Norman is not at least as impressive as winning in Baton Rouge, this season? Further, how does one come to the conclusion that beating Stanford is not more impressive than beating...wait for it...wait for it...Mississippi State?

Alabama did not beat A&M. Moreover, for those making the ridiculous argument that Alabama handled Michigan more thoroughly than ND did (remember, Michigan trailed by multiple possessions by the end of the first quarter in each game, and ND is not a team that is going to put up 30 points in most games), and, therefore, Alabama is a better team, how do you reconcile such a view with the fact that OU beat Texas by 42, Texas beat Ole Miss by 35, A&M beat Ole Miss by only 3, and Bama lost to A&M by 5?

For the record, I do not think those relationships mean very much; I do think that OU is a good team, every bit as good as A&M, Florida, and Georgia. I also think that Stanford is a good team. I also think that Notre Dame beat every team they played against and they did not have a weak schedule. Alabama beat almost every team it played against, and I do not think that Alabama had a tougher schedule than Notre Dame. Alabama had two tough opponents; they beat one. Notre Dame had two tough opponents; they beat two.

Real simple.

OU has only beat two ranked teams: a God-awful Texas team and OSU at home in OT. Not impressed with either win.

If you want to compare Alabama and Notre Dame, I think the best indicator is UM.

@ LSU is a much better win than @ OU.

 

[jps2194]

Put ND or OU in the SEC and they would be average. It is easy to play one or two tough opponents a year, but when you play a team every week that is capable of beating you, it takes a toll. One off game and you have a loss. No other conference can match the size, speed and athleticism from top program to the bottom program like the SEC has.

What would ND's record be if they played our schedule. Do you really think they could beat UF, Alabama, UGA and USCe?

 

[therealUT]

Put ND or OU in the SEC and they would be average. It is easy to play one or two tough opponents a year, but when you play a team every week that is capable of beating you, it takes a toll. One off game and you have a loss. No other conference can match the size, speed and athleticism from top program to the bottom program like the SEC has.

What would ND's record be if they played our schedule. Do you really think they could beat UF, Alabama, UGA and USCe?

ND would beat UGA and USC. Would Alabama beat UGA, USC, and UF?

I have also stated that I think the ND-Bama game will be close and that the advantage goes to ND.

The SEC is composed of one close-knit circle-jerk and the hype allows SEC schools to avoid tough non-conference contests. Kent State, Clemson, Michigan, and Florida State are the only ranked non-conference opponents that the SEC, as a whole, has beat this season.

While the SEC is 48-8 against non-conference opponents (second the the Big XII, by the way), out of those 56 opponents, only five or six are currently ranked.

Both the SEC West and the SEC East have failed to impress this season; the addition of A&M and Mizzou took a Bama-UGA game off the schedule this season, and made the divisions even more isolated, resulting in less spectacular matchups, and less than stellar results.

ND stops the run, like it has all season. ND forces McCarron to win the game for Bama, and this one comes down to the wire.

 

[therealUT]

Real simple.

OU has only beat two ranked teams: a God-awful Texas team and OSU at home in OT. Not impressed with either win.

If you want to compare Alabama and Notre Dame, I think the best indicator is UM.

@ LSU is a much better win than @ OU.

Who has LSU beat? A&M a week after A&M escaped from La. Tech. with a two-point victory?

Notre Dame looks good. Bama looks good. I do not see this ND team losing more than one game (if even one game) with Alabama's schedule this season. I do not see Alabama losing more than one game given ND's schedule this season (I think Stanford would stop the run and give McCarron fits).

 

[zreeves]

Saban has proven this?

2008: Three weeks to prepare for Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Utah beat Alabama 31-17
2010: Two weeks to prepare for LSU. LSU beat Alabama 24-21.
2011: Two weeks to prepare for LSU. LSU beat Alabama 9-6.

Saban is not unbeatable with time to prepare. Again, Alabama's hopes ride on McCarron's arm.

Michigan this year
LSU national title
VT as an opener

The utah game they got crushed although i would say they didnt want to be there because they should have been in the national title...but both of those LSU games they dominated

 

[PKT_VOL]

Then you're an idiot.

They've run the table beating more top 25 teams than either Bama or Georgia. Their game is built around grinding games out and controlling other teams. They aren't going to blow out everyone, but it takes a solid team to go 12-0 with their schedule.

Notre Dame has a better shot of winning the title over the SEC than any team yet in this streak. If you can't accept that you're clueless.

vs Navy
vs Purdue
@ Michigan St
vs #19 Michigan
vs Miami (FL)
vs #8 Stanford
vs BYU
@ #11 Oklahoma
vs Pittsburgh
@ Boston College
vs Wake Forest
@ USC

vs.

vs NC State
vs Georgia St
vs #4 Florida
vs Akron
@ #3 Georgia
@ Miss. St
vs #2 Alabama
@ #10 South Carolina
vs Troy
vs Missouri
@ Vanderbilt
vs Kentucky

I'll take the former any day of the week.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Who has LSU beat? A&M a week after A&M escaped from La. Tech. with a two-point victory?

Notre Dame looks good. Bama looks good. I do not see this ND team losing more than one game (if even one game) with Alabama's schedule this season. I do not see Alabama losing more than one game given ND's schedule this season (I think Stanford would stop the run and give McCarron fits).

If Notre Dame has our schedule, I see three losses. Four if USC is healthy.

 

[jps2194]

ND would beat UGA and USC. Would Alabama beat UGA, USC, and UF?

I have also stated that I think the ND-Bama game will be close and that the advantage goes to ND.

The SEC is composed of one close-knit circle-jerk and the hype allows SEC schools to avoid tough non-conference contests. Kent State, Clemson, Michigan, and Florida State are the only ranked non-conference opponents that the SEC, as a whole, has beat this season.

While the SEC is 48-8 against non-conference opponents (second the the Big XII, by the way), out of those 56 opponents, only five or six are currently ranked.

Both the SEC West and the SEC East have failed to impress this season; the addition of A&M and Mizzou took a Bama-UGA game off the schedule this season, and made the divisions even more isolated, resulting in less spectacular matchups, and less than stellar results.

ND stops the run, like it has all season. ND forces McCarron to win the game for Bama, and this one comes down to the wire.

You are missing the point. Week in and week out, the SEC faces a quality opponent. Alabama could not go undefeated this year and it is hard to argue they are one of the best teams. The reason the SEC doesn't have more ranked teams is because they beat up on each other. Once a team has 2 or 3 losses, they fall way down in ranking. Does that mean they are worse than OU or ND - not necessarily. If we had a true playoff system, I would rather have a team that is battle tested and ready (assuming they are healthy) than a team that has a patsy schedule. That was Pat's philosophy for the Lady Vols and it sure worked for her.

Assuming Bama beats UGA, we'll find out if you are right about ND beating them. I have my doubts, but we'll see.

ND's strength of schedule is 25th where Alabama's is 10th. Nearly the entire SEC is above ND. That should tell you something.
College Football Power Ratings - College FB Team Strength of Schedule Power Rating

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I'll be pulling for the Irish in the NC game, **** conference loyalty!

I hope they both lose somehow.

But yes the SEC chest beating in here is hilarious, as if it does Tennessee any good. We sound like the little yapping dog running around the big dog in the old cartoons.

 

[jps2194]

I hope they both lose somehow.

But yes the SEC chest beating in here is hilarious, as if it does Tennessee any good. We sound like the little yapping dog running around the big dog in the old cartoons.

How can you be a UT fan and argue the SEC is not the best conference? Maybe if the SEC takes home another NC you will change your mind :crazy:

 

[IrishFan]

How does one come to the conclusion that winning in Norman is not at least as impressive as winning in Baton Rouge, this season? Further, how does one come to the conclusion that beating Stanford is not more impressive than beating...wait for it...wait for it...Mississippi State?

Alabama did not beat A&M. Moreover, for those making the ridiculous argument that Alabama handled Michigan more thoroughly than ND did (remember, Michigan trailed by multiple possessions by the end of the first quarter in each game, and ND is not a team that is going to put up 30 points in most games), and, therefore, Alabama is a better team, how do you reconcile such a view with the fact that OU beat Texas by 42, Texas beat Ole Miss by 35, A&M beat Ole Miss by only 3, and Bama lost to A&M by 5?

For the record, I do not think those relationships mean very much; I do think that OU is a good team, every bit as good as A&M, Florida, and Georgia. I also think that Stanford is a good team. I also think that Notre Dame beat every team they played against and they did not have a weak schedule. Alabama beat almost every team it played against, and I do not think that Alabama had a tougher schedule than Notre Dame. Alabama had two tough opponents; they beat one. Notre Dame had two tough opponents; they beat two.

Well said. Each team reacts differently week in and week out. I have heard people argue that if Bama played A&M 10 times, they would win 9 out of 10...that is all well and good but guess what Crimson Clown fans? They only had to play you once and that one is the only one that counted this year.

The optimist looks at a glass of water as half full and the pessimist looks at it as half empty...I would rather be the Opportunist and just drink the damn water.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

How can you be a UT fan and argue the SEC is not the best conference? Maybe if the SEC takes home another NC you will change your mind :crazy:

That's great and all except that's not even close to what I said.