Now Comes The Fun Part.

#78
#78
BigPapaVol said:
Meeks isn't one of the top two players in the conference. Patterson is, but they use him the least. Meeks is the beneficiary of tons of shots due to lack of offensive options. Patterson is certainly a monster, but can be defended because he's only 6'8".

I like our first 8 much better, but like their head guy better in a tactical sense.
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Still stand by that statement?
 
#80
#80
BigPapaVol said:
We've had a tendency to make All NBA types out of players.
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That may be true, but Meeks can flat put it in the hole. I haven't seen much of Memphis, but I don't think we will see a better guard.

For the sake of Tennessee basketball, I sure hope not.
 
#81
#81
Originally Posted by TennNC View Post
CBG and his crew will outsmart us...

kcvols1 said:
BWAHAAHAAHAAHAAAAA! :lolabove:

I do agree that it will be a battle of a game. From what I have seen this year, the problems we have had have not been with our "smarts"; athletic failure to hit a layup/three footer or properly guard the perimeter, sure; but that has nothing to do with the team's "smarts", or with CBP's coaching acumen.

Please. CBG couldn't outsmart a bottle of Jack Daniels and one of K-Y's finest.
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Ahem.
 
#82
#82
Originally Posted by Marc Maggard View Post
actually, UT went of as a 7.5 point favorite.... I imagine that line will change a lot, but that's where the "smart money" started.

mm

TennNC said:
Then the smart money will take Kentucky and the points.
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Ahem.
 
#83
#83
TennNC said:
Originally Posted by TennNC View Post
CBG and his crew will outsmart us...



Ahem.
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you want credit for pointing out that we would be outsmarted and outcoached. I think that was a given in the basketball community.
 
#84
#84
TennNC said:
Then the smart money will take Kentucky and the points.
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BigPapaVol said:
you want credit for pointing out that we would be outsmarted and outcoached. I think that was a given in the basketball community.
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I don't want credit on that point. I clearly have it.

I'd still like to hear from those who think this team's problems are about such deep insights like lack of "heart" and "effort."

I'm fully on record on here as saying this team has a serious lack of bball IQ, and now it's unavoidable that it's the coaches as well as the players. Watch any game, and on every single possession you'll see multiple examples of simply not understanding the fundamentals of this game. Guys out of position, getting turned around, not penetrating when you should, not actually ever setting a screen, picking up your dribble, driving straight into a defender, not knowing how to shoot a pull-up J, etc......

How, when a player scores 36 points in a half -- more than double what the rest of the team scores and most coming from open 3s -- you can allow him to score 28 more in the second half is inexplicable other than to say they don't understand how to play defense.

The talent deficiency wasn't the reason, even though Meeks certainly is a great player who made us pay for letting him to what he wanted. The amount of "effort" wasn't either - if you think they weren't trying, then I don't have an answer for that.

They simply NEVER forced him to do anything other than what he was doing. He faced up to every single shot he made -- he shouldn't have been allowed to get off a clean shot. If he absolutely burns by you, so be it. And if you hack the crap out of him attempting to shoot, so be it. But if you don't do anything else, make him stop what he's been doing repeatedly to kill you. You face-guard him the length of the court. You guard him tight, no matter where he is on the court. You switch up the D and go box-in-one. You tell the screen defender to jump out on him BEFORE the screen is set, like Wayne did on the one play where they disrupted him.

What was our answer? put a new man on him. When a guy is that hot, it doesn't matter who is on him. You have to change the dynamics of the game, even if you risk giving up something else. B/c until you prove you can stop it, they'll keep doing it until they kill you.

I've hit my quota on "kill you"s, so I'll stop before NSA investigates.
 
#85
#85
TennNC said:
I don't want credit on that point. I clearly have it.

I'd still like to hear from those who think this team's problems are about such deep insights like lack of "heart" and "effort."

I'm fully on record on here as saying this team has a serious lack of bball IQ, and now it's unavoidable that it's the coaches as well as the players. Watch any game, and on every single possession you'll see multiple examples of simply not understanding the fundamentals of this game. Guys out of position, getting turned around, not penetrating when you should, not actually ever setting a screen, picking up your dribble, driving straight into a defender, not knowing how to shoot a pull-up J, etc......

How, when a player scores 36 points in a half -- more than double what the rest of the team scores and most coming from open 3s -- you can allow him to score 28 more in the second half is inexplicable other than to say they don't understand how to play defense.

The talent deficiency wasn't the reason, even though Meeks certainly is a great player who made us pay for letting him to what he wanted. The amount of "effort" wasn't either - if you think they weren't trying, then I don't have an answer for that.

They simply NEVER forced him to do anything other than what he was doing. He faced up to every single shot he made -- he shouldn't have been allowed to get off a clean shot. If he absolutely burns by you, so be it. And if you hack the crap out of him attempting to shoot, so be it. But if you don't do anything else, make him stop what he's been doing repeatedly to kill you. You face-guard him the length of the court. You guard him tight, no matter where he is on the court. You switch up the D and go box-in-one. You tell the screen defender to jump out on him BEFORE the screen is set, like Wayne did on the one play where they disrupted him.

What was our answer? put a new man on him. When a guy is that hot, it doesn't matter who is on him. You have to change the dynamics of the game, even if you risk giving up something else. B/c until you prove you can stop it, they'll keep doing it until they kill you.

I've hit my quota on "kill you"s, so I'll stop before NSA investigates.
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Face guarding people requires expending energy. Scotty Hopson, Cam Tatum, and JP Prince are too cool to work up a sweat.
 
#86
#86
I didn't see the gigantic wall of stuff until now, but it seems you're equating man to man defense to Orgo Chemistry. Stopping Meeks last night had nothing to do with lack of understanding.
 
#90
#90
hatvol96 said:
Face guarding people requires expending energy. Scotty Hopson, Cam Tatum, and JP Prince are too cool to work up a sweat.
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do you think Pearl ever told any of them, or bobby maze, or tabb, something at all similar to this:

"I don't care what you do next time down the court, you don't let him touch the ball. You hear me? And if he gets the ball, I want you to immediately get as close to him as humanly possible and make him so uncomfortable he wants to cry and ask for his mom. And if he even starts to shoot on you or beat you, I want you to make him pay for trying that. And if you don't do what I'm telling you, you're going to sit next to me until you figure it out. And you're going to have nightmares tonight thinking about what we're going to do in practice tomorrow."

anything remotely similar?
 
#92
#92
cotton said:
Seconded, but BPV and I have just about beat that issue to death, I think.
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I think if you polled the best defensive coaches in the world, they'd all tell you the difference on D is effort and focus. Not some overwhelming knowledge. Those who focus put to use the limited knowledge it takes to be good at it. Those who don't, get beat.
 
#94
#94
BigPapaVol said:
I think if you polled the best defensive coaches in the world, they'd all tell you the difference on D is effort and focus. Not some overwhelming knowledge. Those who focus put to use the limited knowledge it takes to be good at it. Those who don't, get beat.
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i'll settle for basic knowledge.
 
#95
#95
TennNC said:
irrelevant.
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that's stupid. It's not remotely irrelevant. You either know what it takes to coach / play defense or you do not.

The volumes of man to man defensive theory are about 1 book thick and that's massively repetitive. You defend your man, help (or not) and defend screens. That's the whole deal. Defending a man is about footwork to some degree, but it's not rocket science.

I want you to tell me what you think it is our kids don't know about D.
 
#97
#97
TennNC said:
do you think Pearl ever told any of them, or bobby maze, or tabb, something at all similar to this:

"I don't care what you do next time down the court, you don't let him touch the ball. You hear me? And if he gets the ball, I want you to immediately get as close to him as humanly possible and make him so uncomfortable he wants to cry and ask for his mom. And if he even starts to shoot on you or beat you, I want you to make him pay for trying that. And if you don't do what I'm telling you, you're going to sit next to me until you figure it out. And you're going to have nightmares tonight thinking about what we're going to do in practice tomorrow."

anything remotely similar?
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no. I don't believe that has happened in any way such that the player took it as a legit demand.
 
#99
#99
hatvol96 said:
Why on earth would you ask them?
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good point. We seem to have the answers in here.

I happen to have spent a little time with some of them and in camps with some really bright defensive minds and the repertoire of a man to man defensive coach is astonishingly small. Mostly it's about a mindset that says you will not play unless you view your main function in life as keeping #xx from scoring.
 
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