'20 NV ILB Vai Kaho (San Diego State commit)

[Wormwood]

Yeah he was way bigger in high school?




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Compared to 6’ 210? And you think that’s accurate lol. Go see what Bryson Eason is listed as. Listed at 230. He’s actually 250-255. Christian Miller reported in at over 240. I think he was 260 maxed. Much different frames to carry that weight.

Ask any analyst why Kaho is rated where he is. You’ll hear size, tweener, frame/ability to put on enough weight, etc. Pros are aggressive, coverage, hitter, smart, etc. Size and ceiling for adding bulk is the knock.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Compared to 6’ 210? And you think that’s accurate lol. Go see what Bryson Eason is listed as. Listed at 230. He’s actually 250-255. Christian Miller reported in over 240.

Yeah, Eason is listed at 250.. French, 240...

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

Would his brother come here too?

 

[MoB_MoVols]

Doesn’t change the point of the 3-4 D he uses. Still what he’s after. Christian Miller 6’3 250, etc. Majority of the LB in 3-4 are monsters not 6’0 215 to 220. Kaho and McDonald both would make helluva STAR in his D!

Agreed that we do need bigger backers at spots. The ideal outside rusher fits the measurables listed of a Christian Miller because that's what he is wood. But this is a fast man's game and that has changed the narrative in many schemes. I am in no way advocating for linebackers to be 215 but these are high school kids.. We can't forecast as to where they will be in their development two years into the program. Also, big inside backers are still prevalent today but it's no longer the norm.

 

[benholt06]

Curious to know why they're better than him? Kurrott Garland was arguably one of our better DL this year without the stars coming out. Our staff is beginning to display an ability to develop personnel, so let's take the wait and see approach.. Here for dialogue Ben

That's fine sir.

Garland def had his moments this year. Our DL development has been good. I think the performance of the whole DL unit was solid, but we didn't have any all-league guys or anything. Still, the strides they made say a lot about our coaches.

Kaho might work out. If he's in orange I'd love for my questions about his size and speed to evaporate. We shall find out.

 

[chargervol]

Expected nothing less.

No I actually didn't give, because I only noticed on the tail end of the whole thing anyway.

Charger is obviously not doing anything wrong. I simply wondered from his perspective if it changed anything. I've lurked around here for awhile and he's one of the contingent here that seems to enjoy popping in and telling folks their takes suck, and I'm paraphrasing. Lots of posters do that, I guess they shy away from conflict in their every day lives so they scratch some sort of combative itch in here. Anyway I guess I just wondered if he ever dealt with a dilemma over it. Doesn't sound like he did, and that's ok.

And you're the A1 defender of such folks butchna. Your assertion is that if your take sucks, you'e inviting it on yourself. The tendency of many in here is to warp any nuanced argument and place it into a two-sided, black and white, hate it or love it situation. And you end up arguing something that you never really posited in the first place.

But I guess I finally bit back a little too hard. I'll go ahead and do the public mea culpa to charger. Sorry dude.

Bet you would be surprised if you look back. I get along with the large majority. But yeah, probably harsh with those that keep digging.

You're in a shouting match in basically half or more of the threads but you believe everyone else to be at fault.
You're a science minded person, you know how unlikely that is.

 

[Batman1948]

Whitehead is certainly better, Eason is better, and it's my view that Tisdol is better too. Have u heard Pruitt say Kaho takes priority over those guys? Think he'll gitshirt someone to let Kaho in?

I can easily see Pruitt asking Kaho to hold off signing in December so he can see how his numbers shake out. If that happens I'd bet on the kid jumping on board at Colorado.

I'm not going through the whole how good is or isn't Vai Kaho again with y'all relentless homers, simply stating the obvious that this is a numbers crunch and y'all won't convince me this kid is better than 6 or 7 of the remaining guys we're in on.

Why should anyone need to convince you? The staff is gonna take who ever they want without talking to anyone on this site.

 

[Sleegro]

Compared to 6’ 210? And you think that’s accurate lol. Go see what Bryson Eason is listed as. Listed at 230. He’s actually 250-255. Christian Miller reported in at over 240. I think he was 260 maxed. Much different frames to carry that weight.

Ask any analyst why Kaho is rated where he is. You’ll hear size, tweener, frame/ability to put on enough weight, etc. Pros are aggressive, coverage, hitter, smart, etc. Size and ceiling for adding bulk is the knock.

Miller his senior year at bama was listed at 240. Nearly every inside lb that has played for a Pruitt coordinated defense has been between 225 and 240. Go look at the rosters and get back to me.

 

[MoB_MoVols]

That's fine sir.

Garland def had his moments this year. Our DL development has been good. I think the performance of the whole DL unit was solid, but we didn't have any all-league guys or anything. Still, the strides they made say a lot about our coaches.

Kaho might work out. If he's in orange I'd love for my questions about his size and speed to evaporate. We shall find out.

Agreed. But definitely excited about the diversity in our ILB group, it will continue to lend itself to the versatility that we can depend on week to week in the future

 

[benholt06]

Bet you would be surprised if you look back. I get along with the large majority. But yeah, probably harsh with those that keep digging.

You're in a shouting match in basically half or more of the threads but you believe everyone else to be at fault.
You're a science minded person, you know how unlikely that is.

You're well liked by the VN cool kids, there's no doubt. It's cliquey in here just like anywhere.

What I don't do is react to a post by saying "that's dumb" or being sarcastic, or posting an eye roll gif. Maybe if it's just really out there I would, but very rarely. Not saying there's anything super wrong with that, I just prefer friendly debate to that sort of thing.

What I am guilty of is reacting too strongly when folks do that to me. I need to chill sometimes and remind myself this is a stupid internet forum.

I genuinely hope you will accept my apology and that all is well with you.

 

[Wormwood]

Yeah, Eason is listed at 250.. French, 240...

Maybe on 247, check Rivals. Weights and heights are in no way trustworthy on recruiting sites. Does look like 247 is better at it though... Jay Hardy listed at 280 when he’s about 295. I’d say 10-15% of profiles are super accurate.

Ask JJ Peterson how much weight can fluctuate from your recruiting profile to the day you show up on campus lol. What like 40 lbs?

 

[SLICKYINC]

Maybe on 247, check Rivals. Weights and heights are in no way trustworthy on recruiting sites or even in the game day rosters lol.

Ask JJ Peterson how much weight can fluctuate from your recruiting profile.

Then why quote them?

 

[tim]

Pru needs to ditch the grandpa shoes and Nieds looks like he slept in those pants.

 

[MoB_MoVols]

Compared to 6’ 210? And you think that’s accurate lol. Go see what Bryson Eason is listed as. Listed at 230. He’s actually 250-255. Christian Miller reported in at over 240. I think he was 260 maxed. Much different frames to carry that weight.

Ask any analyst why Kaho is rated where he is. You’ll hear size, tweener, frame/ability to put on enough weight, etc. Pros are aggressive, coverage, hitter, smart, etc. Size and ceiling for adding bulk is the knock.

He and his brother (ale) are virtually the same size and Christian Miller played outside backer at bama

 

[benholt06]

Why should anyone need to convince you? The staff is gonna take who ever they want without talking to anyone on this site.

Stuff like this is so obvious, I assure you I know it already.
CJP def knows miles more than me.
I questioned stuff Phil did, Kiffin, Dooley, Butch, and now I question Pruitt sometimes. Lots of folks were doing it a mere 6 games ago. If he feels the need to tell a higher ranked player to move on to save Kaho a spot, cool. I'll root for that to work out as hard as anybody. Doesn't mean I won't question it.

 

[LittleVol]

Lol you just listed guys who transferred or never played until we had attrition. Banks was 230. Ignont was 233. Both still technically undersized for Pruitts D. You realize you’re looking at our 2019 roster which was bare and not suited for his D beyond the starters. Look at who Pruitt is after at LB... Eason, French, etc. Even McDonald is looking at STAR and he’s same size as Kaho. Look at Pruitt’s past Ds not what he inherited from Butch Jones dude lol. Guys that look like Rolando McClain and Hightower, not Solon Paige and Shannon Reid lol. Butch guys.

And yes, all LB play RB in space but in a 3-4 the STAR is a LB hybrid since you’re really playing your 4th LB as a stand up rusher in most situations, ie DT.

You don’t know what you’re talking about my man. But go at it.

Ignot was startr all Spring until Injury. He was also 240 lbs when he came to UT.
"slimmed " down to play ILB.

BANKS HAVE NEVER BEEN 230....
Everyone on this board knows that.

I'm not going to be a rude as you and proclaim you know this or that.

But I'm simply stating the truth.

McClain and Hightower were doing it before football became over pass oriented.

Just look at Bamas ILBs now. And the last 5 years.

Bama
Mack Wilson 6'2 235
Dylan Moses 6'2" 233
Ruben Foster 6'2 228
Shaun Dion Hamilton 6'1 233
Rashaan Evans 6'2 231
UGA
Raquan Smith 6'1 230

These are their sizes in College.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Pru needs to ditch the grandpa shoes and Nieds looks like he slept in those pants.

Agree about the shoes. Was going to mention them earlier. Dude is just himself I guess...

 

[LittleVol]

The Alabama players you mentioned were from before Pruitt becoming dc. Go look at lb from when he was dc at bama, fsu and Georgia. Ilb were all 230 to 240. The 3-4 has changed a lot the last ten years to keep up with changing offenses and passing attacks.

Thank you Sleegro...

 

[Wormwood]

Agreed that we do need bigger backers at spots. The ideal outside rusher fits the measurables listed of a Christian Miller because that's what he is wood. But this is a fast man's game and that has changed the narrative in many schemes. I am in no way advocating for linebackers to be 215 but these are high school kids.. We can't forecast as to where they will be in their development two years into the program. Also, big inside backers are still prevalent today but it's no longer the norm.

agree

 

[INKYBERRYVOL]

The thought of this guy and HT commanding the center the defense has me like

 

[MoB_MoVols]

Homie still playing tecmo super bowl or Madden 01? or is the 01 Super Bowl on loop with Ray Lewis

 

[benholt06]

Of course he hasn't. The guys arguing with you in this thread - it's what they say to themselves to justify taking a 3 star from The Mountain West.

They just want us to get a good player. They mean well. Except Trip. He's a fool.

 

[Wormwood]

Miller his senior year at bama was listed at 240. Nearly every inside lb that has played for a Pruitt coordinated defense has been between 225 and 240. Go look at the rosters and get back to me.

Rueben Foster?

His starters this year were Henry T and Bituli. Both over 240 And both over 6’2. And Henry is a freshman. Will be 250 next summer.

Also looking for different frames than what Kaho has at LB. I’m not throwing off on him, I really like him. But at STAR. Not middle LB. just like McDonald. Same frames, intangibles, and similar games.

Savell Smalls is his protypical LB edge rusher. Rueben Foster and Henry are his prototype ILB.

 

[BigALWiLson]

All Polynesian LB core!!!

Yes please

 

[LittleVol]

Well, Pruitt was Director of Player Development 2007-2009 when Hightower came in.

Doesn’t change the point of the 3-4 D he uses. Still what he’s after. Christian Miller 6’3 250, etc. Majority of the LB in 3-4 are monsters not 6’0 215 to 220. Kaho and McDonald both would make helluva STAR in his D!

Dude,.... McDonald is 220 now
Kaho 210 now

They'll be get bigger before the season starts.
As in 10-15 lbs.
They'll play ILb because of their ability in pass coverage. And their speed and physical tackling ability. Both are long athletes.

Try to listen to people and stop being rude.