Obama Breaks Spending Record

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HendersonVol said:
I'd say it's pretty important to have international backing if you're going to start wars that you can't possibly win. Like I said, I'm not a vehement supporter of any kind. If there was a true fiscal conservative on the ballot, I would have voted for them.
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Which "wars" did we start?

Both wars were started by others if we are to be honest about it. Iraq could have been handled much differently though, I agree.

The war in Afghanistan had been ongoing for some time before Bush ever set foot in office. It was not a war he started, it was an enemy he chose to confront instead of ignoring.
 
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KB5252 said:
Ask and ye shall receive.

What about voting for the best man or woman for the job? I will not put words into your mouth but it sounds to me like no republican was going to get your vote. You, like many others were caught up in the Obama hype and fell for the bumper sticker sales pitch.....after all, besides no more Bush it was all Obama had to sell to the public. In essence this is just a much longer way of saying what you said above in bold.
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This is not true at all. If the republican party would put someone worthy of office up for election I might have voted for them. Mccain proved to me that he wasn't worthy of office when he selected his running mate.
 
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HendersonVol said:
This is not true at all. If the republican party would put someone worthy of office up for election I might have voted for them. Mccain proved to me that he wasn't worthy of office when he selected his running mate.
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I agree that Palin was a joke.

Let's be honest though, I suspect you wouldn't have voted for McCain no matter who his running mate was.

If wrong I apologize but many of your posts have led me to this conclusion.
 
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KB5252 said:
Which "wars" did we start?

Both wars were started by others if we are to be honest about it. Iraq could have been handled much differently though, I agree.

The war in Afghanistan had been ongoing for some time before Bush ever set foot in office. It was not a war he started, it was an enemy he chose to confront instead of ignoring.
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I'm speaking only about Iraq. We should have finished the job in Afghanistan, but I see that as a war worth fighting.

Iraq to me put this country in a horrible place and will keep us there for a long time. We stuck our noses where we shouldn't have and it will hamper us forever. We went to war with no clear picture of victory and I felt like we were just going to continue to "stay the course" if the republicans were in office.
 
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KB5252 said:
I agree that Palin was a joke.

Let's be honest though, I suspect you wouldn't have voted for McCain no matter who his running mate was.

If wrong I apologize but many of your posts have led me to this conclusion.
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You are probably right for this term. Give me a plausible option in 2012 and we'll talk.
 
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HendersonVol said:
I'd say it's pretty important to have international backing if you're going to start wars that you can't possibly win. Like I said, I'm not a vehement supporter of any kind. If there was a true fiscal conservative on the ballot, I would have voted for them.
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please explain specifically how not having international support hurt our efforts in iraq or afganistan.

and you wanted a true fiscal conservative and instead you voted for a socialist? wow

HendersonVol said:
This is not true at all. If the republican party would put someone worthy of office up for election I might have voted for them. Mccain proved to me that he wasn't worthy of office when he selected his running mate.
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and obama proved what to you by selecting an equally stupid running mate?
 
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droski said:
please explain specifically how not having international support hurt our efforts in iraq or afganistan.

and you wanted a true fiscal conservative and instead you voted for a socialist? wow



and obama proved what to you by selecting an equally stupid running mate?
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You're right. Our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan were clearly successful.

Is it better to finance a war with debt or finance ridiculous stimulus with debt?
 
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droski said:
please explain specifically how not having international support hurt our efforts in iraq or afganistan.

and you wanted a true fiscal conservative and instead you voted for a socialist? wow



and obama proved what to you by selecting an equally stupid running mate?
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Also, really? Palin? I can get on board with a lot of different things, but that's not one of them.
 
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HendersonVol said:
You're right. Our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan were clearly successful.

Is it better to finance a war with debt or finance ridiculous stimulus with debt?
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and with international support we would have had better results?

you don't think financing a war is a form of stimulus?
 
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droski said:
so you are saying biden is smarter than palin? just trying to get your ideas straight.
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Yes, I'm saying Biden is smarter than Palin. Palin wouldn't be the smartest person at my house right now. My dog is home alone.

Financing a war is definitely stimulus, but that doesn't mean we should start a war to save our economy. I simply never forgave Bush for the Iraq mess. I refused to give that republican party leadership my vote.

Also, I'm just simply not one of those people that say "We are the United States and screw everyone that doesn't agree with us."
 
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HendersonVol said:
Yes, I'm saying Biden is smarter than Palin. Palin wouldn't be the smartest person at my house right now. My dog is home alone.."
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and you base this on what exactly? name one palin flub and i'll name 2 biden ones.


HendersonVol said:
Financing a war is definitely stimulus, but that doesn't mean we should start a war to save our economy. I simply never forgave Bush for the Iraq mess. I refused to give that republican party leadership my vote.."
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nice to see you can't think for yourself

HendersonVol said:
Also, I'm just simply not one of those people that say "We are the United States and screw everyone that doesn't agree with us."
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You still havent' explained how international support is important for this country besides your temperment that is.
 
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i also like how he states he blames the republican leadership for iraq, yet would have voted for a fiscal conservative.
 
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droski said:
and you base this on what exactly? name one palin flub and i'll name 2 biden ones.




nice to see you can't think for yourself



You still havent' explained how international support is important for this country besides your temperment that is.
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I don't care about "flubs". Palin was recently battling in the media with her daughters ex boyfriend. If you're throwing your support behind her, I know all I need to know.

Explain to me how pissing off the rest of the world is a good thing. I'm not saying they have to sign off on everything we do, but if you're going to invade random countries, you probably want the rest of the world behind you or at least agreeing with you.
 
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HendersonVol said:
I don't care about "flubs". Palin was recently battling in the media with her daughters ex boyfriend. If you're throwing your support behind her, I know all I need to know.

Explain to me how pissing off the rest of the world is a good thing. I'm not saying they have to sign off on everything we do, but if you're going to invade random countries, you probably want the rest of the world behind you or at least agreeing with you.
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how is saying biden is just as big of an idiot throwing my support behind palin?

once again i want a specific example as to how we were hurt by our lack of international support when it comes to the iraq war because clearly if you "want the rest of the world behind you" there must be a tangible benefit to this support. you get defensive in your responses and chose to throw out nonsequitors rather than answer people's questions.
 
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HendersonVol said:
I don't care about "flubs". Palin was recently battling in the media with her daughters ex boyfriend. If you're throwing your support behind her, I know all I need to know.

Explain to me how pissing off the rest of the world is a good thing. I'm not saying they have to sign off on everything we do, but if you're going to invade random countries, you probably want the rest of the world behind you or at least agreeing with you.
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our POTUS was recently "battling" in the media, with the media....now THAT is true leadership
 
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droski said:
how is saying biden is just as big of an idiot throwing my support behind palin?

once again i want a specific example as to how we were hurt by our lack of international support when it comes to the iraq war because clearly if you "want the rest of the world behind you" there must be a tangible benefit to this support. you get defensive in your responses and chose to throw out nonsequitors rather than answer people's questions.
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I never said we were hurt in the Iraq war by not having international support. I said for the future we want international support. As of now, we are the economic leaders of the world. By simply population numbers, this will not be the case forever. If at that time, we have no political favor left with the rest of the world then we are absolutely screwed and left up to the desires of other countries.

I know your argument will be purely economic and that political favor doesn't matter one way or the other. As I said before, I didn't see that the other candidate was better economically than Obama either. He simply would have used debt to finance wars instead of putting it into the pocket of americans (corrupt or not).
 
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T-TownVol said:
our POTUS was recently "battling" in the media, with the media....now THAT is true leadership
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At least the battle with the media had a purpose. He was trying to shape opinion to help favor his position. What purpose does it serve to battle with an 18 year old kid?
 
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HendersonVol said:
If at that time, we have no political favor left with the rest of the world then we are absolutely screwed and left up to the desires of other countries..
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why are we screwed exactly? you don't think china's reliance on the US economy gives us leverage? specifically how will this lack of support hurt us? give us an example. edit: and the downfall of the american economy has been called for decades and it still hasn't happened. japan sure kicked our ass didn't they?
 
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HendersonVol said:
Yes, I'm saying Biden is smarter than Palin. Palin wouldn't be the smartest person at my house right now. My dog is home alone.

Financing a war is definitely stimulus, but that doesn't mean we should start a war to save our economy. I simply never forgave Bush for the Iraq mess. I refused to give that republican party leadership my vote.

Also, I'm just simply not one of those people that say "We are the United States and screw everyone that doesn't agree with us."
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You mean the war that we won with Bush's surge strategy? How many U.N. resolutions did Sadam have to break before we could solve this problem? Most every country and even the U.N. said he had WMD as well as most in your party.
 
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droski said:
why are we screwed exactly? you don't think china's reliance on the US economy gives us leverage? specifically how will this lack of support hurt us? give us an example.
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+1, Henderson, you aren't making much sense with your arguments. Even if we make everybody else mad, they still depend on us economically.
 
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KentheOrange said:
I give up. How do you separate the two?

Won't be long before you will claim you didn't vote at all.
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he didn't vote for Obama's economic policies but unfortunately he got them.

Anyone who voted for Obama can never claim to be a fiscal conservative ever again
 
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