Obama Breaks Spending Record

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#76
HendersonVol said:
At least the battle with the media had a purpose. He was trying to shape opinion to help favor his position. What purpose does it serve to battle with an 18 year old kid?
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Ridiculous, he was battling certain elements of the media punish them because they did not tow his line, of that there isn't any debate.
 
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#78
droski said:
why are we screwed exactly? you don't think china's reliance on the US economy gives us leverage? specifically how will this lack of support hurt us? give us an example.
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For now they rely on us. There are a ridiculous amount of reasons to have international support. If you upset countries with undue military action, it's much more likely that this and other countries will bring the battle to your house. For now, our only enemies are the extremists. What if our enemies become the mainstream?
 
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KB5252 said:
Ridiculous, he was battling certain elements of the media punish them because they did not tow his line, of that there isn't any debate.
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That's exactly what I just said. Trying to shape opinion. You are claiming that this has never been done before?
 
#81
#81
HendersonVol said:
For now they rely on us. There are a ridiculous amount of reasons to have international support. If you upset countries with undue military action, it's much more likely that this and other countries will bring the battle to your house. For now, our only enemies are the extremists. What if our enemies become the mainstream?
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It's not just for now they rely on us. If China were to say to us, "Ok we want you to pack us back for all your debt we've picked up now," it would actually hurt them more than it would us.
 
#83
#83
HendersonVol said:
For now they rely on us. There are a ridiculous amount of reasons to have international support. If you upset countries with undue military action, it's much more likely that this and other countries will bring the battle to your house. For now, our only enemies are the extremists. What if our enemies become the mainstream?
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You have bought the "party line", hook, line and sinker.
 
#84
#84
HendersonVol said:
For now they rely on us. There are a ridiculous amount of reasons to have international support. If you upset countries with undue military action, it's much more likely that this and other countries will bring the battle to your house. For now, our only enemies are the extremists. What if our enemies become the mainstream?
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i see. so you are worried france and germany will invade the united states? since those are the countries generally that people say we need the support of and the countries bush offended the most. in case you haven't noticed the islamic countries still hate us even with obama as president.
 
#86
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HendersonVol said:
That's exactly what I just said. Trying to shape opinion. You are claiming that this has never been done before?
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That is not what you said, there is a difference between acting like a child and not inviting someone to your birthday because they believe GI Joe is better than Power Rangers and trying to shape opinion.

Bottom line this wasn't about shaping opinion, it was about getting back at those with which you have disagreements. It is almost exactly the same thing as Palin was doing in the media I would imagine.

Yes it was done before, by a man who was scared crapless of the opposing party, this particular individual later left the white house in shame.
 
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#88
KB5252 said:
A good portion of those that voted for Bush will publically tell you they were wrong about him, the same cannot be said for Obama supporters to date.
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as i said in another thread. . . we don't accept the excuse of "george did it too!" from our toddlers so i don't understand why it's an acceptable excuse for our president.
 
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droski said:
i see. so you are worried france and germany will invade the united states? since those are the countries generally that people say we need the support of and the countries bush offended the most. in case you haven't noticed the islamic countries still hate us even with obama as president.
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Invading countries with no reason offends everyone. We were just politically able to shift it in our favor because of previous good favor. If that continued, we wouldn't have that. I generally agree with making good decisions, but when you make bad decisions, you better have support. We were making bad decisions and losing support.
 
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#90
KB5252 said:
That is not what you said, there is a difference between acting like a child and not inviting someone to your birthday because they believe GI Joe is better than Power Rangers and trying to shape opinion.

Bottom line this wasn't about shaping opinion, it was about getting back at those with which you have disagreements. It is almost exactly the same thing as Palin was doing in the media I would imagine.

Yes it was done before, by a man who was scared crapless of the opposing party, this particular individual later left the white house in shame.
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ya, telling Fox that they can not have any face time, with anyone in the administration, was REAL mature
 
#91
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HendersonVol said:
Invading countries with no reason offends everyone. We were just politically able to shift it in our favor because of previous good favor. If that continued, we wouldn't have that. I generally agree with making good decisions, but when you make bad decisions, you better have support. We were making bad decisions and losing support.
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what prior good behavior? WW II? once again. if we don't have their support in the future they are going to take up against the US in the next war? is that what you are saying?
 
#92
#92
HendersonVol said:
Invading countries with no reason offends everyone. We were just politically able to shift it in our favor because of previous good favor. If that continued, we wouldn't have that. I generally agree with making good decisions, but when you make bad decisions, you better have support. We were making bad decisions and losing support.
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So Sadam breaking U.N. resolutions every chance he got was not a good reason? Or most countries and most in you rparty believing that he had WMD not a good reason? I could care less what the rest of the world thinks about us.
 
#93
#93
HendersonVol said:
Invading countries with no reason offends everyone. We were just politically able to shift it in our favor because of previous good favor. If that continued, we wouldn't have that. I generally agree with making good decisions, but when you make bad decisions, you better have support. We were making bad decisions and losing support.
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We had the support of all the world, except the pussies from France, when this War on Terror began.
 
#94
#94
KB5252 said:
A good portion of those that voted for Bush will publically tell you they were wrong about him, the same cannot be said for Obama supporters to date.
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I wasn't wrong about Obama. Anyone that knew what was going on knew he was going to spend money on "social" issues. That's his MO. If he improves the education in this country, I think the wasted spending might be worth it (but that's another issue). There were several reasons I voted for Obama. One of them wasn't because I thought he would do everything right.
 
#96
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HendersonVol said:
I wasn't wrong about Obama. Anyone that knew what was going on knew he was going to spend money on "social" issues. That's his MO. If he improves the education in this country, I think the wasted spending might be worth it (but that's another issue). There were several reasons I voted for Obama. One of them wasn't because I thought he would do everything right.
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for the love of god. you do know public education is up to the states right?
 
#97
#97
HendersonVol said:
and what about now?
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right now the socialists in this world love our president and last time i checked we havent' gotten our "the rest of the country likes our presdeint" check (or any tangible benefit for that matter) in the mail like obama promised.
 
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droski said:
what prior good behavior? WW II? once again. if we don't have their support in the future they are going to take up against the US in the next war? is that what you are saying?
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If we economically don't lead the world anymore, then yes. It probably wouldn't come as a result of a war, but there are several ways to attack us without declaring war. We are very powerful at this point and have enough economic power to avoid being attacked. This won't always be the case. Wasting money, time, and lives on undue wars is a quick way to end this.
 
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