Obama gets religion.

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#76
I love how gs' 'Obama must be a Muslim because' thread has been hijacked into a debate about the Catholic Church.
 
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#77
trevols81 said:
So they side stepped such rules by having mistresses and kids out of wedlock.
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I'm not going to defend wrong doings done by members of the church. Being a priest in the CC is more than a full time job and a priest simply can not fully devote themselves to the church and raising a family

And nice bamacheats with the loser response
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I'm not going to defend wrong doings done by members of the church. Being a priest in the CC is more than a full time job and a priest simply can not fully devote themselves to the church and raising a family
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I believe they should not have to decide between the two. I also believe it is wrong for the clergy to be held to higher standards than the common man(all people have an innate sense for physical affection, IMO). They are human, after all.
 
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trevols81 said:
I believe they should not have to decide between the two. I also believe it is wrong for the clergy to be held to higher standards than the common man(all people have an innate sense for physical affection, IMO). They are human, after all.
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Yea it's called being a deacon
 
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trevols81 said:
What if God has a calling for you beyond being a deacon? Do you renounce your wife? Commit to celebacy?

More power to you if that is your calling but it goes against human nature in it's basic form.
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The Bible clearly states a deacon is to be the husband of one wife. His wife is to be the wife of one husband. He is to rule his home, having his children in subjection.
 
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Gramps said:
The is an err of the CC.
The Bible says the Church is the Bride of Christ.

It also says that the elders, bishops and deacons are to be the husband of one wife. It list the qualifications required to be an elder, bishop and deacon along with the qualifications of their wives.

No where have I read in the Bible that the Church is the bride of anyone other than Christ.
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So what are the altar boys? Free game?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
The only thing a deacon can't do is holy communion or confessions
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And this is my big hang up with the CC. The Bible I read teaches that Jesus bridged the gap between God and man and paid the price of sin for everyone. Through Him, I can confess and receive forgiveness without an intermediate. Confessions to a priest and acts of contrition are more about power than scripture. The ultimate act of contrition was on Calvary. All I need to do is confess to God through the Son and strive to never commit the sin again. No one else is required.
 
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JayVols said:
And this is my big hang up with the CC. The Bible I read teaches that Jesus bridged the gap between God and man and paid the price of sin for everyone. Through Him, I can confess and receive forgiveness without an intermediate. Confessions to a priest and acts of contrition are more about power than scripture. The ultimate act of contrition was on Calvary. All I need to do is confess to God through the Son and strive to never commit the sin again. No one else is required.
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well said.

Church doctrine must be backed by the Bible or it is an error doctrine.
 
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#90
Confessing your sins is about accountability. You have none if you are only confessing your sins to yourself. Priests have direct lineage to "Him". Therefore confessing your sins to a priest is the closest one can get to confessing your sins to Jesus. Obviously the situation will be different when we pass away.

It's a much more spiritually rewarding experience confessing your sins to someone vs yourself. Also a priest gives you advice on how to avoid committing those sins in the future. Thus becoming a better Christian in the process

It's not about humiliation, but a teaching moment
 
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Gramps said:
well said.

Church doctrine must be backed by the Bible or it is an error doctrine.
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You say it isn't backed by the Bible, I say it is. Who's right?

You're saying that like there is a clear cut line on Biblical interpretation.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Are you serious about Luke?

The councils are what exactly? Spiritual racket
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All Church's fall into that category. Why limit it to just a bunch of old men deciding what really happened 300 years after the fact?

Personal spiritualism is a lot easier to swallow than labeling oneself as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.
 
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#95
1Tim 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Christ is the only mediator that I read about under the grace plan.

What is your Biblical backing that a priest is a mediator under the grace plan.

i realize. priest were in charge of offerings during the law. We are no longer under the law.
 
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JayVols said:
And this is my big hang up with the CC. The Bible I read teaches that Jesus bridged the gap between God and man and paid the price of sin for everyone. Through Him, I can confess and receive forgiveness without an intermediate. Confessions to a priest and acts of contrition are more about power than scripture. The ultimate act of contrition was on Calvary. All I need to do is confess to God through the Son and strive to never commit the sin again. No one else is required.
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All day long
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Confessing your sins is about accountability. You have none if you are only confessing your sins to yourself. Priests have direct lineage to "Him". Therefore confessing your sins to a priest is the closest one can get to confessing your sins to Jesus. Obviously the situation will be different when we pass away.

It's a much more spiritually rewarding experience confessing your sins to someone vs yourself. Also a priest gives you advice on how to avoid committing those sins in the future. Thus becoming a better Christian in the process

It's not about humiliation, but a teaching moment
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We will disagree. I am not confessing to myself. I am confessing to God who provided an avenue to have my own personal link; thus, I have a direct lineage as a child of God- no priest required. I can understand giving advice, but I will never understand having to confess to another imperfect man. I have never read that in the Scriptures. It's not there. ALL men are imperfect (including the Pope). I confess to the infallible Son of God who intercedes to the Father on my behalf. No man can come close to comparing.
 
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rjd970 said:
All Church's fall into that category. Why limit it to just a bunch of old men deciding what really happened 300 years after the fact?

Personal spiritualism is a lot easier to swallow than labeling oneself as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.
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Cant argue against it. :)
 
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JayVols said:
We will disagree. I am not confessing to myself. I am confessing to God who provided an avenue to have my own personal link; thus, I have a direct lineage as a child of God- no priest required. I can understand giving advice, but I will never understand having to confess to another imperfect man. I have never read that in the Scriptures. It's not there. ALL men are imperfect (including the Pope). I confess to the infallible Son of God who intercedes to the Father on my behalf. No man can come close to comparing.
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Works based system, glorified legalism is all the cc is.
 
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