Obama motion to dismiss denied.

This is the best in depth piece I've seen written on the question.

Some of the replies are also interesting.

The Constitutional Meaning Of "Natural Born Citizen"

You make it so hard for people to not think you're a tool when you post stuff like this. Just because it is one view of the situation that you happen to agree with doesn't make it legit. Like at all. I hate the people who make this whole birther movement stick around. I would damn well guarantee you that if Obama was a 50 year old white male, and was a proven illegal, there would be little outcry. But since he is a black male and ''muslim'' as so many ignorant people claim, it is a huge deal. Grow up. Show some respect to our country's leader.
 
You make it so hard for people to not think you're a tool when you post stuff like this. Just because it is one view of the situation that you happen to agree with doesn't make it legit. Like at all. I hate the people who make this whole birther movement stick around. I would damn well guarantee you that if Obama was a 50 year old white male, and was a proven illegal, there would be little outcry. But since he is a black male and ''muslim'' as so many ignorant people claim, it is a huge deal. Grow up. Show some respect to our country's leader.

Our countries leader? :eek:lol:
Right, leading from behind.

Contrary to what you think and your easy accusation of racism, some people think we should adhere to the law and observe our constitution as the guiding light.

In other words, a nation of laws and not a nation of personalities.

My major poblem with this question (whether Obama is ligitimately eligible to be president or not) is the fact that Obama has never produced one iota of evidence in court that he is eligible.

Now that sort of stinks in my book.

Georgia Judge Michael Malihi is a cowardly traitor - English pravda.ru

His actions have set precedence in American law that if a person is charged with a crime, the best defense, is to not show up for court. Law schools may now offer a course in "The Obama Defense".

Three separate legal teams presented evidence and witnesses to show that Obama is not eligible to run for President because he is not a natural born citizen. Obama produced no evidence, no witnesses and both he and his lawyer failed to show up for court in violation of a subpoena to do so.

Forget about what we think, whether he is, or is not a natural born citizen. Opinions don't count. Only evidence and witnesses count. But we're not dealing with rational minds in this case. We never have.

Judge Michael Malihi violated a basic rule of legal interpretation in his ruling. He violated our earliest Supreme Court ruling on how to interpret the Constitution. He ignored evidence. He ignored witnesses. He ignored earlier Supreme Court rulings establishing that the term "natural born citizen" means, one who is born in America to two American citizen parents.

The most telling sign that he was either bribed or threatened shows up in his own actions, of violating his own rulings, just four weeks apart, on the same case.
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"His opinion holds that the 14th has the exact same effect as the natural-born citizen clause, while the 14th Amendment does not include the words "natural born Citizen". Persons claiming citizenship under the 14th Amendment are deemed to be "citizens". Malihi has added the words "natural born" into the Amendment. This is absolutely forbidden, according to Malihi's own opinion in the Motion to dismiss, wherein he held: "In the absence of words of limitation, words in a statute should be given their ordinary and everyday meaning.' Because there is no other 'natural and reasonable construction' of the statutory language, this Court is 'not authorized either to read into or to read out that which would add to or change its meaning.' "

In other words, he claimed one thing on January 3, 2012 and on February 3, 2012 he wrote the exact opposite. Why would any sane man do such a thing?
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It is impossible to believe, that Judge Michael Malihi, himself, believed, he was following the constitution and legal precedent. He knows he's a crook. He knows he's a liar. He knows, that in his ancestral home country, that unlike America, he would have his head chopped off for what he did.

He ignored the Constitution and at least three US Supreme Court rulings, defining Natural born citizen as one who is born in America to two citizen parents. He ignored the Law of Nations, that the founders of this country used to draft our constitution. He ignored the countless letters, written back and forth by our founders, defining natural born citizen and their reasons for why they would only accept a natural born citizen as their President.
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The lawyers asking to keep Obama off the ballot presented evidence and witnesses. Obama showed nothing. Didn't even come. Ignored a court order. And Judge Micahel Malihi ruled in the criminal's favor.
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Judge Michael Malihi cited cases that have absolutley nothing to do with the subject matter and he totally disregarded any evidence or witnesses.
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"But there is no evidence before the Court that Obama was born in the United States. The court can only rest its finding of fact on evidence that is part of the court record. The judge tells us that he decided the merits of the plaintiffs' claims. But he does not tell us in his decision what evidence he relied upon to "consider[]" that Obama was born in the United States.
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Surely, the court did not use those "insufficient" documents as evidence of Obama's place of birth. Nor does the judge tell us that he used those documents for any such purpose. The judge also does not tell us that the court took any judicial notice of any evidence (not to imply that it could).

The judge did find that Obama has been certified by the state executive committee of a political party. But with the rules of evidence of superior court applying, this finding does not establish anyone's place of birth.

Hence, what evidence did the judge have to rule that Obama is born in the United States? The answer is none."
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The U.S. Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett (1875) already has told us that there was no doubt as to who could be a "natural born Citizen." In fact, there was absolutely no evidence before the court [Malihi] that Obama was born in Hawaii. And as we have seen, there was also absolutely no evidence before Judge Malihi showing the Obama was born in the United States.

The court never addressed the question of whether he was born in Hawaii. No evidence was presented to the court whether he was "born within the borders of the United States." The court never even examined that issue.

Hence, its statement that "persons born within the borders of the United States are 'natural born Citizens' for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents" does not prove that Obama was, in fact, born within the borders of the United States" and that he is therefore a "natural born Citizen."
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Under Article II, Section 1, Clause 5, Obama has the burden of proof to conclusively prove that he is a "natural born Citizen." As part of that burden, he has to conclusively prove that he was born in the United States.

Neither Obama nor his attorney appeared at the hearing to present any evidence on the issue.
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All this demonstrates that Obama was not born in the full and complete legal, political, and military allegiance and jurisdiction of the United States. He is therefore not an Article II "natural born Citizen" and cannot be placed on the Georgia primary ballot."
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Judge Michael Malihi issued his decision late in the day on a Friday. By doing this, he effectively isolates himself from any criticism, until Monday morning. Come Monday, I am sure that he will be hiding behind the skirts of his office staff.

He is not ignorant of what he has done. He turned his back on all that we cherish for a few bucks or because he is scared to death of whoever made him "an offer he can't refuse".

This weasel of a man betrayed his country, reneged on his oath of office, insulted the dignity of his profession, corrupted the legal system and by his conscious act of disloyalty to his associates, he has subjected them all to scorn and ridicule.
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Here is an interesting investigation into Judge Michael Malihi. NOTHING. Just like the man he broke his oath for, he is an invisible shadow. He has no history. IS


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Is malihi and Iranian muslim?

Who is Valierie Jarret?
 
Our countries leader? :eek:lol:
Right, leading from behind.

Contrary to what you think and your easy accusation of racism, some people think we should adhere to the law and observe our constitution as the guiding light.

In other words, a nation of laws and not a nation of personalities.

My major poblem with this question (whether Obama is ligitimately eligible to be president or not) is the fact that Obama has never produced one iota of evidence in court that he is eligible.

Now that sort of stinks in my book.

Georgia Judge Michael Malihi is a cowardly traitor - English pravda.ru




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Is malihi and Iranian muslim?

Who is Valierie Jarret?

He shouldn't have to. Just because some loon wants him to show his birth certificate doesn't mean he has to. It's a non issue. Has been for 4 years. Sorry to burst your bubble. How many presidents in history have been asked to prove their citizenship? I'm going to guess zero.
 
He shouldn't have to. Just because some loon wants him to show his birth certificate doesn't mean he has to. It's a non issue. Has been for 4 years. Sorry to burst your bubble. How many presidents in history have been asked to prove their citizenship? I'm going to guess zero.

McCain's was questioned while he was a candidate
 
McCain's was questioned while he was a candidate

I said how many presidents...McCain is not a president. And even so, it was brought up very little and disappeared. Obama on the other hand has dealt with this an entire term. Gets kind of old. And to be honest, I respect him because if it was me in that position and I was constantly getting barraged by dumb allegations I would go off. He had remained relatively cool about it.
 
I said how many presidents...McCain is not a president. And even so, it was brought up very little and disappeared. Obama on the other hand has dealt with this an entire term. Gets kind of old. And to be honest, I respect him because if it was me in that position and I was constantly getting barraged by dumb allegations I would go off. He had remained relatively cool about it.

the point was he had to prove his qualifications before even getting to the election. Had he been elected that was already done
 
the point was he had to prove his qualifications before even getting to the election. Had he been elected that was already done

Do you not think that if there was any semblance of a chance that Obama was not a US citizen that those campaigning against him would have found it? I mean, in the days of political mudslinging running rampant, surely it would have come up?
 
Do you not think that if there was any semblance of a chance that Obama was not a US citizen that those campaigning against him would have found it? I mean, in the days of political mudslinging running rampant, surely it would have come up?

Obama was fast-tracked and criticisms were shouted down as racist. I don't think this is an issue worth worrying about but to pretend he was vetted is ridiculous
 
Obama was fast-tracked and criticisms were shouted down as racist. I don't think this is an issue worth worrying about but to pretend he was vetted is ridiculous

I won't disagree that he was fast-tracked. And you're right...it's not an issue worth worrying about. It just irks me.
 
forget his birth certificate, I want to see some proof that he actually attended Harvard
 
Laurence Tribe?

I can audit a class and say that I attended a particular university

I'd like to see transcripts.

I'd also like to see some evidence of Michelle's claim that dozens of high caliber law firms courted Barack but he declined the big paycheck in order to focus on community organizing in Chicago.

The birth certificate is the only issue in his past that, IMHO, is settled.
 
Do you not think that if there was any semblance of a chance that Obama was not a US citizen that those campaigning against him would have found it? I mean, in the days of political mudslinging running rampant, surely it would have come up?

If McCain had used very much of the dirt that was available, he would have easily won.
 
Do you not think that if there was any semblance of a chance that Obama was not a US citizen that those campaigning against him would have found it? I mean, in the days of political mudslinging running rampant, surely it would have come up?

This is nothing. You should see what Adams and Jefferson said about each other....and they were friends.
 
He shouldn't have to. Just because some loon wants him to show his birth certificate doesn't mean he has to. It's a non issue. Has been for 4 years. Sorry to burst your bubble. How many presidents in history have been asked to prove their citizenship? I'm going to guess zero.

So the constitutional question means nothing to you?





the point was he had to prove his qualifications before even getting to the election. Had he been elected that was already done

Democrats have absolutely no respect for the law any more.

At least Republicans will pay it lip service occasionally.





forget his birth certificate, I want to see some proof that he actually attended Harvard

Did he attend Occidental as a foreign student?

Did he even attend Columbia at all or was he traveling on an Indonesian passport to Pakistan and who knows where all else?

Is he really even in fact the real Barack Hussein Obama, why all the SSNs etc etc.






If McCain had used very much of the dirt that was available, he would have easily won.

And that fact raises several questions also.

"I would like to thank John MCain for not bringing up my muslim religion."
BHO






Lincoln was a brawler

I had never heard that.

There is a story that he was once challenged to a duel by a man about 5'4" in height, it is said that Abe accepted and chose sledge hammers in six foot of water and the challenger retracted his challenge.
 
I can't answer for all of them, but for me:

He is a progressive, statist, interventionist, warmongering, lying, self-serving, economically illiterate, freedom-hating, big government scallywag.
 
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I have a big problem with the health care as it is written now. I also believe he embraces black liberation theology.

With that said, he was a legitimately elected President. These birthers are embarrassing themselves.
 
I wish you'd say that to Trump's face, because if you did, it would be...















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