Obama motion to dismiss denied.

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#133
Negateer said:
They both have to be citizens for the child to be natural born, unless the child is born inside the US. Which is the point.

Are you just playing dumb, or are you really dumb?
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Qualifications for President and the "Natural Born" Citizenship Eligibility Requirement - Congressional Research Service (CRS) Report
At the time of independence, and at the time of the framing of the Constitution, the term natural born with respect to citizenship was in use for many years in the American colonies, and then in the states, from British common law and legal usage. Under the common law principle of jus soli (law of the soil), persons born on English soil, even of two alien parents, were natural born subjects and, as noted by the Supreme Court, this same rule was applicable in the American colonies and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution ... with respect to citizens. In textual constitutional analysis, it is understood that terms used but not defined in the document must, as explained by the Supreme Court, be read in light of British common law since the Constitution is framed in the language of the English common law. In addition to historical and textual analysis, numerous holdings and references in federal (and state) cases for more than a century have clearly indicated that those born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction (i.e., not born to foreign diplomats or occupying military forces), even to alien parents, are citizens at birth or by birth, and are natural born, as opposed to naturalized, U.S. citizens. There is no provision in the Constitution and no controlling American case law to support a contention that the citizenship of one s parents governs the eligibility of a native born U.S. citizen to be President. Although the eligibility of native born U.S. citizens has been settled law for more than a century, there have been legitimate legal issues raised concerning those born outside of the country to U.S. citizens. From historical material and case law, it appears that the common understanding of the term natural born in England and in the American colonies in the 1700s may have included both the strict common law meaning as born in the territory (jus soli), as well as the statutory laws adopted in England since at least 1350, which included children born abroad to British fathers (jus sanguinis, the law of descent). The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term natural born citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship by birth or at birth, either by being born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship at birth.
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Single parent counts, even if born out of the country. We apply the same rights of jus sanguinis to mothers are well as fathers according to the Supreme Court.

And I am not dumb. Dumb means that one is incapable of speech. You have no reason to think I am either mute or speeched, so I have now answered that for you.
 
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#134
Hhttp://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/hearings-on-keeping-obama-off-the-ballot-in-illinois-are-tomorrow/

Illinois too!!
 
#136
#136
Negateer said:
And in 1961 Obama only had one American parent. The other was an illegal immigrant America-hater from an illegal immigrant America-hating family.
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I know you are just trying to bait people, but hey, just for the fun of it...

Can you link us to any credible source that says a natural born citizen must have two citizen parents or 1 citpar and born in the US? You know, supreme court ruling, law passed by congress, government agency, something I like to call, official?

If not, then maybe you don't have any substance and are just repeating crap.
 
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#137
Negateer said:
And in 1961 Obama only had one American parent. The other was an illegal immigrant America-hater from an illegal immigrant America-hating family.
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You don't have to love and respect this country to be an American by definition. All it takes is one parent.
 
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Obama eligibility challenges spread to 6 states

But win, lose or draw, the fight isn’t going to be over, as other cases are erupting across the nation, with challenges being raised anew even in Obama’s own adopted political network in Illinois.
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Whatever the outcome in Georgia, the issue is gaining traction in other states, too, including Alabama, Tennessee, Arizona, New Hampshire, and even Illinois, Obama’s home political base.
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The thing about it with me is this, even thoung may suits have been filed, Obama has not porduced any document in court that would in any way validate his eligibility.

Why not?
 
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gsvol said:
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Obama eligibility challenges spread to 6 states




The thing about it with me is this, even thoung may suits have been filed, Obama has not porduced any document in court that would in any way validate his eligibility.

Why not?
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We may not understand what his issue is, but it is certain that Obama is attempting to hide something by not producing his documents.
 
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#140
So if someone accused you folks of being a convicted child molester, would you give them the satisfaction of proving them wrong?

I say the only people calling for this seem to be nutcases anyway... let them wallow.
 
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#141
DinkinFlicka said:
So if someone accused you folks of being a convicted child molester, would you give them the satisfaction of proving them wrong?

I say the only people calling for this seem to be nutcases anyway... let them wallow.
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If I am running for POTUS and a there are questions about my eligibility to run - then yes I do respond. Any topic that would be raised in a run for POTUS should have been foreseen and a response planned. Barry knew this would be an issue before he kicked off his campaign and should have been ready to address it head on. His continued refusal to do so only serves to deepen the question of what is he hiding.

It always amazes me when candidates seem to be taken off guard when scandals break on their presidential campaigns. If they have had affairs, hired illegals to work in their homes, had problems with sexual harassment claims, tax issues, or eligibility problems; they knew about it before the rest of us.
 
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Headed For Home said:
If I am running for POTUS and a there are questions about my eligibility to run - then yes I do respond. Any topic that would be raised in a run for POTUS should have been foreseen and a response planned. Barry knew this would be an issue before he kicked off his campaign and should have been ready to address it head on. His continued refusal to do so only serves to deepen the question of what is he hiding.

It always amazes me when candidates seem to be taken off guard when scandals break on their presidential campaigns. If they have had affairs, hired illegals to work in their homes, had problems with sexual harassment claims, tax issues, or eligibility problems; they knew about it before the rest of us.
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This in no way compares to hiring illegal workers you would give no amnesty to or getting a solid BJ from your intern and lying under oath about it.

It's why it hasn't escalated beyond the aforementioned nutcases. The birther movement is taken about as seriously as bigfoot hunters.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
This in no way compares to hiring illegal workers you would give no amnesty to or getting a solid BJ from your intern and lying under oath about it.

It's why it hasn't escalated beyond the aforementioned nutcases. The birther movement is taken about as seriously as bigfoot hunters.
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It certainly is important. If he will ignore the constitutional requirements for the office, why should we believe he will take the constraints of the constitution any more seriously on other matters. In fact we now have enough track record to see that he doesn't really care what the constitution says if it is in his way.
 
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Headed For Home said:
It certainly is important. If he will ignore the constitutional requirements for the office, why should we believe he will take the constraints of the constitution any more seriously on other matters. In fact we now have enough track record to see that he doesn't really care what the constitution says if it is in his way.
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Where in the constitution does it say the POTUS has to show his personal information to the people just because they ask?
 
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As we've seen, even if he does show they'll invent some other issue to talk about, after taking credit for making him show, like a bunch of 8 year olds.
 
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#146
This is the best in depth piece I've seen written on the question.

Some of the replies are also interesting.

The Constitutional Meaning Of "Natural Born Citizen"

Note that de Vattel defines "natural born citizen" as the purest form of citizenship, requiring both jus soli ("law of the soil") citizenship and jus sanguinis ("law of the blood") citizenship—with BOTH parents being citizens.
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DinkinFlicka said:
Where in the constitution does it say the POTUS has to show his personal information to the people just because they ask?
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The constitution calls for the president to meet certain qualifications. When these qualifications are called into doubt, then yes, the candidate should produce the appropriate documentation to prove eligibility.
 
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#148
Headed For Home said:
The constitution calls for the president to meet certain qualifications. When these qualifications are called into doubt, then yes, the candidate should produce the appropriate documentation to prove eligibility.
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which has been done, repeatedly.

I'm no fan of Obama, but this birth certificate nonsense is just that, nonsense. There are far too many other, provable and legitimate, issues with Obama's past that are worthy of exploration.
 
#149
#149
gsvol said:
This is the best in depth piece I've seen written on the question.

Some of the replies are also interesting.

The Constitutional Meaning Of "Natural Born Citizen"
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Best because it is the one that you agree with?

The Naturalization Act of 1790, passed mainly by those men who were a party to the creation and ratification of the Constitution, states:

"the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens"

If the men who wrote the constitution felt this way, then I will bet that they wouldn't agree with your author.
 
#150
#150
Only idiots claim he is/was not eligible. His birth certificate was shown he was/is eligible. Stop being a ******n moronic troll.
 
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