Obama proposes extending Bush tax cuts for 98 percent of us

Really easy, live as free as humanly possible. Freedom grants you every opportunity to live your life how you want.

I agree, unfortunately, most of us are a slave to morality. And no, that's not a slight against you. I'm simply stating we find ourselves chained to situations created by others, thus limiting our freedoms. I could ignore my family and only be concerned about myself, but I could never live with my conscious if I did.
 
I agree, unfortunately, most of us are a slave to morality. And no, that's not a slight against you. I'm simply stating we find ourselves chained to situations created by others, thus limiting our freedoms. I could ignore my family and only be concerned about myself, but I could never live with my conscious if I did.

Sake of asking, family is wife and children?
 
Economic disparity won't be fixed by just taking more from the very successful and giving it to the least productive. Let's get rid of the entitlement mentality, address discrimination and oppression in effective ways, remove the ability to make excuses and encourage success at all levels.

But racism, and 1%, and Bush......

Sadly the entitlement mentality isn't going away. It's become as American as baseball.
 
Sake of asking, family is wife and children?

Parents and my sister's kids. My sister is very fiscally irresponsible. I let that be her problem, but her children shouldn't suffer for it.
 
Sake of asking, family is wife and children?

To further explain, my dad is a retired Navy vet, and my mom works 50+ hours a week at UT hospital. Despite that, it's hard for them to make ends meet. Reasons behind that I don't agree with, but they're my parents, I won't turn my back on them.

My oldest nephew graduated UT last December. I helped him out through college. My niece is working her way through nursing school. I try to help her when she needs it. They're trying to better their situations so I try to help them succeed.
 
To further explain, my dad is a retired Navy vet, and my mom works 50+ hours a week at UT hospital. Despite that, it's hard for them to make ends meet. Reasons behind that I don't agree with, but they're my parents, I won't turn my back on them.

My oldest nephew graduated UT last December. I helped him out through college. My niece is working her way through nursing school. I try to help her when she needs it. They're trying to better their situations so I try to help them succeed.

As it should be.

:)
 
Parents and my sister's kids. My sister is very fiscally irresponsible. I let that be her problem, but her children shouldn't suffer for it.

The problem is that on a general level, you end up enabling the same behavior by the parent which never helps the child and only waste more tax dollars.
 
To further explain, my dad is a retired Navy vet, and my mom works 50+ hours a week at UT hospital. Despite that, it's hard for them to make ends meet. Reasons behind that I don't agree with, but they're my parents, I won't turn my back on them.

My oldest nephew graduated UT last December. I helped him out through college. My niece is working her way through nursing school. I try to help her when she needs it. They're trying to better their situations so I try to help them succeed.

Bless you Weezer .
If more people had you attitude and willing to do what they feel is the right thing the world would be a better place
 
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Bless you Weezer .
If more people had you attitude and willing to do what they feel is the right thing the world would be a better place

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. :hi:
 
The problem is that on a general level, you end up enabling the same behavior by the parent which never helps the child and only waste more tax dollars.

I do not agree with your assessment.
Helping the children have a chance to better their lives is not enabling the behavior of the bad parent. The bad parent is not going to do anything to help the children.

By helping these children it gives them a chance to be successful in life, something the bad parent will not do. The bad parent will raise the kids to live the same style life they have lived.
 
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The problem is that on a general level, you end up enabling the same behavior by the parent which never helps the child and only waste more tax dollars.

Read where I went into a little more detail. The kids are working hard to better themselves. They're showing a resolve their mom never has. I support that and want that to firmly take root. Success will drive them to work harder as they appreciate what they have earned.

My nephew was a diligent student and now has a job in Dallas. When it comes to work, he doesn't slack. Very responsible and I'm very proud of him for it. My niece has four kids, a job, and goes to school. She's had her slips, but she has worked to overcome a lot of adversity. She could sit at home and draw welfare but she doesn't, she wants more. Should I not encourage that? Bottom line, she's working hard, and when she struggles, I do my best to help out. I'm extremely proud of her as well.

And as a side note to PJ, I'm really not trying to toot my own horn here, but I feel this is a case where having a break comes in. Both have worked hard, I have been able to help both when they needed(thus a break), and they are finding success. Could they have found other ways? Very possibly, but it's also possible they might not have.
 
I do not agree with your assessment.
Helping the children have a chance to better their lives is not enabling the behavior of the bad parent. The bad parent is not going to do anything to help the children.

By helping these children it gives them a chance to be successful in life, something the bad parent will not do. The bad parent will raise the kids to live the same style life they have lived.

My point is that you assume the money allocated to help the children truly goes straight for the children. If the parents are horrible with money, it only enables the parents with marginal benefits, if any, to the children.
 
Read where I went into a little more detail. The kids are working hard to better themselves. They're showing a resolve their mom never has. I support that and want that to firmly take root. Success will drive them to work harder as they appreciate what they have earned.

My nephew was a diligent student and now has a job in Dallas. When it comes to work, he doesn't slack. Very responsible and I'm very proud of him for it. My niece has four kids, a job, and goes to school. She's had her slips, but she has worked to overcome a lot of adversity. She could sit at home and draw welfare but she doesn't, she wants more. Should I not encourage that? Bottom line, she's working hard, and when she struggles, I do my best to help out. I'm extremely proud of her as well.

And as a side note to PJ, I'm really not trying to toot my own horn here, but I feel this is a case where having a break comes in. Both have worked hard, I have been able to help both when they needed(thus a break), and they are finding success. Could they have found other ways? Very possibly, but it's also possible they might not have.

You have a wonderful story. I share in the sentiment of Gramps. I am talking about in general, not necessarily your family.
 
You have a wonderful story. I share in the sentiment of Gramps. I am talking about in general, not necessarily your family.

I can see your point, but I would never give the money to my sister to allocate. The kids are the most important part of it all. I still have one more nephew to go. He's the scariest because he's the most like his mom, but I hope he will see the value of hard work through the actions of his older siblings. If he works hard, I'll do everything I can to support him. The key is for him to put in the effort. As long as he puts in the effort, I don't see it as enabling. It's investing in the future.
 
Get over yourself. You care about you and yours and I care about mine.

In your rush to be outraged, maybe you missed where I was refering to big corporations. Are you a big corporation? I respect that you started your own business. Bully for you. But I suspect you're more of a small company. That said, I hope you take care of those who actually work their ass off for you. Yeah, there are some lazy SOBs who probably try to leech off of you, but some people do still believe in working hard.

And if you can't see how outsourcing to other nations has hurt ours, you need to pull your head out of your ass.

You never answered my question...how many hours per week do you work?

I'm just now finishing up at 3am with a conference call and my day started at 9am yesterday.

Oh, but you're asleep right now arent you so you cant answer me.............
 
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It's not about wanting to give the government anything. They're going to take it from someone, someway, somehow. Taking from the lower class makes them more destitute. Taking from the rich makes them less rich. If you continue to take, take, take, and eliminate the middle class, then what's to stop people from living off the govt teet? When working hard gets you no where, why continue to work hard? For what it's worth, I'd work hard no matter what, just out of pride and self-respect, but do you think most people would choose that route?

but why be ok with them taking from anyone? Half already get a free ride in this country and our reps continue to give them more and more. Until living off the govt is not a viable option it will continue to be abused. Unfortunately I think we've gone too far down that road and there will always be a large segment doing it. And the way it's set up there will be no penalty or stigma attached to it. Sadly the penalty and stigma is now being attached to the successful members of society.
 
You never answered my question...how many hours per week do you work?

I'm just now finishing up at 3am with a conference call and my day started at 9am yesterday.

Oh, but you're asleep right now arent you so you cant answer me.............

Just curious, what company is this that you own?
 
What is fair about me working my ass off for a modest middle class lifestyle while others sit on their asses and enjoy most of the same amenities?
 
The bolded part is something we can all agree on. The unbolded isn't. "Successful" and "productive" are buzzwords that offer a misleading view - whether it's subtle or drastic - of the reality of the situation.

Is this the part where you tell us what reality is and why gov't sanctioned theft is the right way?
 
Corporate income tax is still 35% causing businesses to find other ways to maximizer profits. The lower of this income tax rate would cause this trickle down effect.

Incorrect.

The corporate income tax is a freakin' joke. Those that it should affect lobby and bribe their way to loopholes that cut the true rate to trinkets.
 
Is this the part where you tell us what reality is and why gov't sanctioned theft is the right way?

None of this is possible without the last 30 years of deterioration of the work ethic...made possible by political correctness and mythical ideas of "fairness". It seems like the calculated attacks and handouts have finally convinced at least 40% of the country that they are birthed into a world that is obligated to care for them from cradle to grave.

De Tocqueville was right.
 
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