Obama signs kids' health insurance bill ($32.8 billion)

[KingNick865]

don't count on it. His teachers have instilled in him the notion that freedom from want is a basic human right.

Yes, because when I went to public school, I let my teachers tell me whatever, and I beleived it:crazy:. In college, you could most certainly make that case that professors indoctrinate their students with flaming liberal viewpoints(and in some cases, conservative). But, a public school teacher, at least from what I know, cannot express his or her political opinion in the classroom.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Yes, because when I went to public school, I let my teachers tell me whatever, and I beleived it:crazy:. In college, you could most certainly make that case that professors indoctrinate their students with flaming liberal viewpoints(and in some cases, conservative). But, a public school teacher, at least from what I know, cannot express his or her political opinion in the classroom.

That's absurd.
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[allvol123]

Yes, because when I went to public school, I let my teachers tell me whatever, and I beleived it:crazy:. In college, you could most certainly make that case that professors indoctrinate their students with flaming liberal viewpoints(and in some cases, conservative). But, a public school teacher, at least from what I know, cannot express his or her political opinion in the classroom.

You're naive if you believe people don't let their personal beliefs affect their teaching.

 

[KingNick865]

He'll change his tune when he is on his own and works for what he gets, hopefully.

Maybe........But, my opinion right now is that all who cannot afford healthcare should be given access to it.

Because they can't afford it.

Your question could have easily applied to a 4500 sf house.
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No, it couldn't. Your health and vitality are things you NEED to keep good on to survive, unless you are blessed enough to have good genes. A 4,500 square foot house, is something you WANT to have.

 

[MG1968]

Yes, because when I went to public school, I let my teachers tell me whatever, and I beleived it:crazy:. In college, you could most certainly make that case that professors indoctrinate their students with flaming liberal viewpoints(and in some cases, conservative). But, a public school teacher, at least from what I know, cannot express his or her political opinion in the classroom.

you must not have heard that the NEA and AFT are two of the democrats' biggest political contributors.

public school teachers are, for the most part, prohibited from expressing a religious opinion in the classroom, but I know of no such restriction on their political viewpoints. I'm sure the public schools in Chicago are bereft of Obama paraphernalia.

 

[KingNick865]

You're naive if you believe people don't let their personal beliefs affect their teaching.

They do, sometimes. But it's not as widespread as some would claim.

 

[MG1968]

Maybe........But, my opinion right now is that all who cannot afford healthcare should be given access to it.

can you name one instance where someone unable to pay was denied health care? Emergency rooms are required by law to provide care, regardless of financial ability to pay.

case in point is that psychotic chick in California who just had a litter of 8. You think she'll ever pay a dime of the 1.3 million dollar cost of the delivery?

 

[allvol123]

Maybe........But, my opinion right now is that all who cannot afford healthcare should be given access to it.

They are.

And you back this thinking up with what reasoning?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Maybe........But, my opinion right now is that all who cannot afford healthcare should be given access to it.



No, it couldn't. Your health and vitality are things you NEED to keep good on to survive, unless you are blessed enough to have good genes. A 4,500 square foot house, is something you WANT to have.

Certainly you understand that there are levels of healthcare including huge amounts of unnecessary and frivolous stuff.

Houses are clearly needs. Who's to say what constitutes want on that front?
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[KingNick865]

you must not have heard that the NEA and AFT are two of the democrats' biggest political contributors.

public school teachers are, for the most part, prohibited from expressing a religious opinion in the classroom, but I know of no such restriction on their political viewpoints. I'm sure the public schools in Chicago are bereft of Obama paraphernalia.

I think the TEA has something like that in the rulebook. In any case, none of my teachers from K-12 tried to tell those of us in the classroom what they thought about the election, or their political affiliation. Besides, most of the guys and gals at my school don't/didn't exactly have strong opinions of politics and politicians. Some would make offhand remarks about it, but noone ever actually engaged in strong, opinionated political discussions.

 

[allvol123]

I think the TEA has something like that in the rulebook. In any case, none of my teachers from K-12 tried to tell those of us in the classroom what they thought about the election, or their political affiliation. Besides, most of the guys and gals at my school don't/didn't exactly have strong opinions of politics and politicians. Some would make offhand remarks about it, but noone ever actually engaged in strong, opinionated political discussions.

Such good sheep.

 

[KingNick865]

can you name one instance where someone unable to pay was denied health care? Emergency rooms are required by law to provide care, regardless of financial ability to pay.

case in point is that psychotic chick in California who just had a litter of 8. You think she'll ever pay a dime of the 1.3 million dollar cost of the delivery?

It's not the fact that they are denied the healthcare(should have said that earlier). It's the fact that hospital and heath insurance premiums are so high that it causes tens of thousands of families each year, including mine in 2004, to go bankrupt and lose everything(thank the Lord we didn't lose the house or the car, but we were real close).

They are.

And you back this thinking up with what reasoning?

See above.

Certainly you understand that there are levels of healthcare including huge amounts of unnecessary and frivolous stuff.

Houses are clearly needs. Who's to say what constitutes want on that front?
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I do. I also know that there are many types of healthcare(drug benefits, certain docs are cheaper, etc.).

A 4,500 sq. ft. house is most certianly, a luxury. Housing is a need, but your health is most important thing, that should come first, although, without the house, your chances of living a long and fruitful life are cut down dramatically.

 

[MG1968]

I think the TEA has something like that in the rulebook. In any case, none of my teachers from K-12 tried to tell those of us in the classroom what they thought about the election, or their political affiliation. Besides, most of the guys and gals at my school don't/didn't exactly have strong opinions of politics and politicians. Some would make offhand remarks about it, but noone ever actually engaged in strong, opinionated political discussions.

I'm sure it took different, less overt forms. Like mentioning the fact that many of the Founding Fathers were slave holders, but neglecting to mention that many also saw slavery as a necessary evil at the time. School history books will also gloss over the immense personal sacrifices they made to craft the United States.

 

[allvol123]

See above.

I see a situation that obviously pulled at your heart. I do not see any reasoning in there.

Given what you went through as an adolescent with this experience. Have you considered your options of not going through this as an adult?

 

[BIGBUM]

Pelsoi says 1 billion American kids die every year from lack of access to health care.

hmy:hmy:hmy::blink::blink::blink:

 

[KingNick865]

I see a situation that obviously pulled at your heart. I do not see any reasoning in there.

Given what you went through as an adolescent with this experience. Have you considered your options of not going through this as an adult?

Look, I just don't think that those who have less money, than even my family, should be going bankrupt over surgery that is needed to save their life. To me, the right to heathcare without going broke, is a human right, not a privilege. Why? It's wrong to leave people, scared to go to the doctor, because it'll cost a fortune.

 

[allvol123]

Look, I just don't think that those who have less money, than even my family, should be going bankrupt over surgery that is needed to save their life. To me, the right to heathcare without going broke, is a human right, not a privilege. Why? It's wrong to leave people, scared to go to the doctor, because it'll cost a fortune.

I will choose life saving surgery almost everytime even when it causes bankruptcy.

It is no where close to being a right. You are essentially saying you have the right to steal from someone when you feel there is something you need but can't afford.

Don't want to go bankrupt? Have insurance in place. Belong to a strong church community. Be proactive.

 

[Brog]

Sorry all children living in poverty. Your parents didn't think everything though before having you. It's not your fault in any way shape or form, but you still don't get to have regular medical checkups or go to the doctor when you're sick. Praise Jesus.

 

[allvol123]

Sorry all children living in poverty. Your parents didn't think everything though before having you. It's not your fault in any way shape or form, but you still don't get to have regular medical checkups or go to the doctor when you're sick. Praise Jesus.

You got a cell phone? Regular phone? Cable? Internet? Eat out? You choose everyday to spend your money on other things than finding mothers that need your help to get their children to the doctor.

Take that emotional nonsense and cram it.

 

[Brog]

Yes, let's blame it all on myself for not giving everything extra I have. Sure it would be easier if all gave a couple dollars every week from their check, but I'm sorry you can't be bothered.

 

[allvol123]

Yes, let's blame it all on myself for not giving everything extra I have. Sure it would be easier if all gave a couple dollars every week from thier check, but I'm sorry you can't be bothered.

Me bothered? You have no idea what I do with my money.

But I don't go around like you telling people what they should do with their money or wanting to steal from other people. Again, you have nothing, just your guilt. You want problems fixed but glide through life spending your money on non-essentials. Meanwhile, you piss about how others should fix this problem and that one. Everytime you spend a dollar you make a decision on what is important to you. I bet you spend more on entertainment and non-essentials than you do on these problems you claim to care so much about. And I bet it is not even close.

 

[KB5252]

Maybe........But, my opinion right now is that all who cannot afford healthcare should be given access to it.



No, it couldn't. Your health and vitality are things you NEED to keep good on to survive, unless you are blessed enough to have good genes. A 4,500 square foot house, is something you WANT to have.

They are given access to health care. Hospitals do not refuse anyone do they?

 

[KB5252]

Sorry all children living in poverty. Your parents didn't think everything though before having you. It's not your fault in any way shape or form, but you still don't get to have regular medical checkups or go to the doctor when you're sick. Praise Jesus.

I don't have a problem paying for those children who's families are truly destitute. The problem is that when you start offering free anything many who's families can afford insurance also end up on the dole. Sure, the line will get drawn somewhere but then that line begins to be moved, used a political tool.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Look, I just don't think that those who have less money, than even my family, should be going bankrupt over surgery that is needed to save their life. To me, the right to heathcare without going broke, is a human right, not a privilege. Why? It's wrong to leave people, scared to go to the doctor, because it'll cost a fortune.

that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. That's the entitlement mentality that is destroying our culture.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Sorry all children living in poverty. Your parents didn't think everything though before having you. It's not your fault in any way shape or form, but you still don't get to have regular medical checkups or go to the doctor when you're sick. Praise Jesus.

I love the emotional and whiny, yet irrational argument. Clearly the expense of kids should be a deterrent to those who can't afford them, but it's not to stupid people.

What you're advocating is the government again fixing the problem for people too stupid to make good decisions. That's not the role of government.

Moreover, the history of this type of program is simply disastrous.