Obama to back religious freedom at Islam dinner

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#153
CSpindizzy said:
But please tell me where advocating killing compares to turning the other cheek? One teaching clearly states killing is a form of act endorsed within those teachings. Last I checked Jesus did not command killing of any sort by his followers. Killing was not even an option. This is not stretching interpretation of a woman being at home barefoot and pregnant. This is "it is ok to kill in response to being persecuted". Very confrontational and violent in response to being persecuted if you ask me.
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the old testament if full of eye for eye killing. anyone can pick and chose the passages to show one religion is worse or more violent than the other. now i agree that a signicifanct part of the problem is that mohammed was a military leader and to an extent advocated killing. but only because it allows the imams and ayatollahs to point to the koran to justify the hate speach. the true problem here is the lack of education in the muslim world. stupid and uneducated breeds violence. lots of violence in the past has been advocated because of passages in the bible for instance.
 
#154
#154
OrangeEmpire said:
Live by gov't = failure and every thing works just fine.

Keep the power in the hands of the people and every thing will be fine.
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Can you please tell me the last time the power was in the hands of the people?? See, that's the problem. The government is making concessions for the Islam faith, yet if a Christian student wears a shirt with a cross on it, they are sent home. Care to summarize why that is??
 
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#155
OrangeEmpire said:
You don't want them saying this religion is preferred and you cannot practice your beliefs.

It is like defining marriage, do you really want gov't to define marriage and if things go how you don't like, pastors can be prosecuted from their pulpit for hate language,etc.
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Thats on its way! Hidden behind the LAW of hate crimes.

The pastors satement was supposed to be highlighted but it didn't take!
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Can you please tell me the last time the power was in the hands of the people?? See, that's the problem. The government is making concessions for the Islam faith, yet if a Christian student wears a shirt with a cross on it, they are sent home. Care to summarize why that is??
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if it was key part of your religion to pray 5 times a day i'm sure you too would have a prayer room. wearing a t shirt with a cross on it is not dogma by any stretch.
 
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#157
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Can you please tell me the last time the power was in the hands of the people?? See, that's the problem. The government is making concessions for the Islam faith, yet if a Christian student wears a shirt with a cross on it, they are sent home. Care to summarize why that is??
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Power was in the complete hands of the people prior to the civil war. Woodrow Wilson destroyed freedom during World War I and set up the eventual gov't take over by FDR. Johnson expanded FDR's agenda and Jimmy Carter forever destroyed the housing market. It is something we have to fight for, not complain and wet the bed over.

Broad generalization that is not completely true, and when it does happen challenge it legally.

:hi:
 
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volfanjustin said:
It is our founding document, it states our independence. I am guessing the July 4, 1776 means nothing to you.
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it states we want to be independent but basically just picked a fight with the Brits. The Constitution actually setup the US
 
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droski said:
if it was key part of your religion to pray 5 times a day i'm sure you too would have a prayer room. wearing a t shirt with a cross on it is not dogma by any stretch.
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But isn't that prefering one religion over another? Thats been the whole point. Setting up the prayer room to accomodate? Congress shouldn't respect a religion.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
But isn't that prefering one religion over another? Thats been the whole point. Setting up the prayer room to accomodate? Congress shouldn't respect a religion.
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is part of Christianity that you must wear a shirt with a cross on it? If they were making a required class at 11am on Sundays it might be different
 
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CSpindizzy said:
But please tell me where advocating killing compares to turning the other cheek? One teaching clearly states killing is a form of act endorsed within those teachings. Last I checked Jesus did not command killing of any sort by his followers. Killing was not even an option. This is not stretching interpretation of a woman being at home barefoot and pregnant. This is "it is ok to kill in response to being persecuted". Very confrontational and violent in response to being persecuted if you ask me.
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Come on man, you are better than that. The bible has every bit as much in the way of commanded violence as the Qu'ran, especially when taken out of context. It's funny that you happened to omit the next verse
 
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utvolpj said:
not to my knowledge. They have said the school can't organize it but there are still religious groups that meet
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What did M. O'Hare sue the government for? Wasn't it to have prayer taken out of schools? Yet we now set up prayer stations for Muslims? Is this not the government respecting a religion?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
What did M. O'Hare sue the government for? Wasn't it to have prayer taken out of schools? Yet we now set up prayer stations for Muslims? Is this not the government respecting a religion?
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You would rather they disrupt class by praying in the middle of it?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
But isn't that prefering one religion over another? Thats been the whole point. Setting up the prayer room to accomodate? Congress shouldn't respect a religion.
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allowing everyone in this country to have the ability to to practice their religion in a matter that they see fit is the exact opposite of prefering one religion over another.
 
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droski said:
the old testament if full of eye for eye killing. anyone can pick and chose the passages to show one religion is worse or more violent than the other. now i agree that a signicifanct part of the problem is that mohammed was a military leader and to an extent advocated killing. but only because it allows the imams and ayatollahs to point to the koran to justify the hate speach. the true problem here is the lack of education in the muslim world. stupid and uneducated breeds violence. lots of violence in the past has been advocated because of passages in the bible for instance.
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The Old Testament is history of God's chosen people. I'm talking about the teachings of Jesus. Tell me where Jesus advocates a response of killing for any purpose?

I'm not picking and choosing. I will be happy to go into detail and even list other places where killing is a justified response to various scenarios - none taken out of context. These are all commands from Muhammed as to how to live and respond. Again, show me what teachings of Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc. tell me where as a Christian my response to ANY scenario is to kill if being persecuted.

Muhammed was a military leader? Yes. After he began preaching his faith. He was a shepherd and merchant. Once he got his revelation and began proselytizing, he became a 'military leader'. It seems his faith brought him to a militant point which advocated killing. I look at the founder and see he has quite a bit of blood on his hands in order to serve justice. His faith took him from a peaceful merchant and shepherd to one who acted on his preaching of killing as a means of justice, punishment, etc.

I look at Jesus' response to persecution just as Muhammed was persecuted. I compare not only the teachings but the actions. Between the two, there are vast differences.

Now you can pick all day from the Old Testament. But I compare the foundations of both faiths - I compare Jesus and Muhammed. I compare the teachings coming from the Gospels, the epistles, etc. and then to the Quran. I compare the lives of Jesus and Muhammed - their beginnings and the results of their teachings and the persecutions they faced along with the responses there. I look at what becomes the writings that each faith begins from. Nothing in comparison.
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Don't you like Freedom of Speech?
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please link where a kid was forced to take off his cross shirt. Just want to read the context. Also schools should be like VN where there are limits. Don't see girls being allowed to wear bikinis to class do you?
 
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droski said:
allowing everyone in this country to have the ability to to practice their religion in a matter that they see fit is the exact opposite of prefering one religion over another.
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Again, prayer was taken out of schools, but yet is let in for Muslims. I'm sorry, but if its OK to remove prayer for one group, then it must be for all groups. That Seperation of Church and State.
 
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emainvol said:
Come on man, you are better than that. The bible has every bit as much in the way of commanded violence as the Qu'ran, especially when taken out of context. It's funny that you happened to omit the next verse
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Show me where Jesus commanded killing as a response. And don't give me the nonsense about the history portion of the Old Testament. I am talking about the teachings Christians live by. Show me where Jesus, Paul, Peter, etc. commanded to kill. Compare the lives of Muhammed and Jesus.

I didn't "omit" the next verse. not sure what your point is. The point is 'killing' is a commanded response in Islam. In Christianity it is not. The next verse has no significance to that point.
 
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