Obamacare already having effects

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Orlando Vol said:
I will gladly pay $0.14 cents more for my occasional pizza, knowing that the people who work there and their families have health insurance.
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that won't really cover it. There will be an additional cost to every item you purchase. You don't come up with a trillion dollars with only pizza
 
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Team Romney Scares Conservatives By Touting ‘Romneycare’ | TPM2012

Team Romney brings up Romneycare.
Not a good thing for their campaign.


""" Mitt Romney’s campaign is giving conservatives quite a scare this week by touting Romney’s Massachusetts health care overhaul — a subject Romney has gone to great lengths to avoid.
Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul brought up the law in response to a*Priorities USA ad
*in which a steelworker, who lost his job after Bain Capital closed the GST Steel mill where he worked, connects his unemployment — and resulting lack of health insurance — to the death of his wife.
Team Romney’s response: He should have lived in Massachusetts.
On two Fox News appearances Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, Saul countered that if the steelworker, Joe Soptic, and his wife had lived in Massachusetts, they would have kept their insurance under Romney’s health care reform law.
“To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Gov. Romney’s health care plan, they would have had health care,” Saul said Tuesday.
The campaign has shied from reminding voters of Romney’s landmark achievement as governor because it so closely resembles “Obamacare” — and was in fact a model for the national law. Romney has said repeatedly that he does not wish to force his plan onto other states. Romney has justified the law to conservatives by insisting that it worked for his state, but he wouldn’t ask other states to follow his lead.""""""
 
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Orlando Vol said:
BTW, this a complete and total BS cop out by PJs.

The cost of food is skyrocketing for Papa Johns right now. Cheese has nearly doubled in 2 years. Anything related to cow is sky rocketing right now because of the drought.

Blame that on Obama! :rolleyes:
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Then it makes perfect sense to add more cost to the buisness owner.

Hey how about get rid of the ethanol requirments??????
 
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hog88 said:
Hey how about get rid of the ethanol requirments??????
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I wasn't aware that Obama created the ethanol requirements? How about you go lobby your congressman in the republican controlled congress to push for their elimination? :eek:lol:
 
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Don't you guys think that a competitive business environment will keep increased costs of health insruance from being passed on in full?

Could this law mean a mix of higher prices for consumers and lower profits for corporations?

And, does lower profits for corporations hurt that bad? What if return is down 5-10%? Is there anything better a company can do with their money? Business will still go on right?
 
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Orlando Vol said:
I will gladly pay $0.14 cents more for my occasional pizza, knowing that the people who work there and their families have health insurance.
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maybe reasoning through the additive effect of rippling this through everything, everywhere is part of the problem. I could be mistaken. Hell, it could be that pizza makers will be the only ones passing through the cost.

The really cool part is that the vast majority will see care deteriorate, healthcare cost more and we'll get a new unfirable bureaucracy. Everything, including HC, will cost more as a result. How much better can it get?
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Don't you guys think that a competitive business environment will keep increased costs of health insruance from being passed on in full?

Could this law mean a mix of higher prices for consumers and lower profits for corporations?

And, does lower profits for corporations hurt that bad? What if return is down 5-10%? Is there anything better a company can do with their money? Business will still go on right?
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you think companies are going to willingly give up profits and just absorb extra costs?
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Don't you guys think that a competitive business environment will keep increased costs of health insruance from being passed on in full?

Could this law mean a mix of higher prices for consumers and lower profits for corporations?

And, does lower profits for corporations hurt that bad? What if return is down 5-10%? Is there anything better a company can do with their money? Business will still go on right?
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There you go. This isn't bad, it just costs the greedy businesses out there in the world some return. That's all.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
I wasn't aware that Obama created the ethanol requirements? How about you go lobby your congressman in the republican controlled congress to push for their elimination? :eek:lol:
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Republican controlled Senate????

The house did try to curb the requirement, do away with the subsidies, never came to the floor in the senate.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Don't you guys think that a competitive business environment will keep increased costs of health insruance from being passed on in full?

Could this law mean a mix of higher prices for consumers and lower profits for corporations?

And, does lower profits for corporations hurt that bad? What if return is down 5-10%? Is there anything better a company can do with their money? Business will still go on right?
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Businesses rarely give up profits willingly. If and entire industry increases prices to offset the same costs they all have, then competitive balance stays the same and the only pain is felt by the consumer.
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Don't you guys think that a competitive business environment will keep increased costs of health insruance from being passed on in full?

Could this law mean a mix of higher prices for consumers and lower profits for corporations?

And, does lower profits for corporations hurt that bad? What if return is down 5-10%? Is there anything better a company can do with their money? Business will still go on right?
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You do realize that in reality buisness doesn't even pay taxes? Everything is passed along to the end user.
 
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If I was a billionaire pizza chain owner (especially a catholic one like Schnatter), I would be ashamed of myself and my company if my employees didn't get at least BASIC health care coverage as a benefit.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
If I was a billionaire pizza chain owner (especially a catholic one like Schnatter), I would be ashamed of myself and my company if my employees didn't get at least BASIC health care coverage as a benefit.
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Could be the reason you are not a billionaire?????
 
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Orlando Vol said:
If I was a billionaire pizza chain owner (especially a catholic one like Schnatter), I would be ashamed of myself and my company if my employees didn't get at least BASIC health care coverage as a benefit.
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and what if said BASIC coverage didn't provide for birth control and Sandra Fluke worked for Papa John's?
 
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hog88 said:
You do realize that in reality buisness doesn't even pay taxes? Everything is passed along to the end user.
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So, am I to assume the inverse -- that if we get what Romney wants, and corporate taxes are cut to almost nothing-- Pizza and all other goods will have their prices lowered as a result? :lolabove:
 
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Orlando Vol said:
So, am I to assume the inverse -- that if we get what Romney wants, and corporate taxes are cut to almost nothing-- Pizza and all other goods will have their prices lowered as a result? :lolabove:
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who's said anything about cutting the corporate tax rate to almost nothing?
 
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Orlando Vol said:
So, am I to assume the inverse -- that if we get what Romney wants, and corporate taxes are cut to almost nothing-- Pizza and all other goods will have their prices lowered as a result? :lolabove:
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No but it would give corporations a reason to bring jobs back, invest, create jobs..
 
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If prices rise uniformly in an industry doesn't that allow more competitors to enter the market?

I know we don't exactly have pure free markets, but isnt' there some competition that prevents lare scale price increases?
 
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hog88 said:
No but it would give corporations a reason to bring jobs back, invest, create jobs..
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Don't they already have a good reason? I genuinly don't understand the sitting on money excuse. If I can generate 10 billion or 9 billion in income - wouldn't it be preferable to sitting on cash and generating nothing?
 
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TruthIsOutThere said:
Don't they already have a good reason? I genuinly don't understand the sitting on money excuse. If I can generate 10 billion or 9 billion in income - wouldn't it be preferable to sitting on cash and generating nothing?
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Why would I bring that money back to the US and give 1/3 to Uncle Sam?
 
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Orlando Vol said:
BTW, this a complete and total BS cop out by PJs.

The cost of food is skyrocketing for Papa Johns right now. Cheese has nearly doubled in 2 years. Anything related to cow is sky rocketing right now because of the drought.

Blame that on Obama! :rolleyes:
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First of all, it hasn't doubled in the last 2 years. Second, why do you think prices have gone up??
 
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