Obamacare Survives SCOTUS

The ACA is govt intervention because the previous govt intervention didn't work. It's the one constant when DC decides to do something


What many don't realize is that tax payers were subsidizing the care through taxes for the uninsured already. It's not like you're hard earned money suddenly started flowing to hospital systems to shore up the high cost of the ACA when it was enacted, the money being spent now is just put into an easier to attack column.
 
People are paying more because for-profit insurance companies are still the main driving force in implementation of the law. My doctors are having to fight harder and harder to get treatments approved. Gotta keep up those shareholder dividends and pay those CEO bonuses!
Spoken like someone with no clue how hospitals and healthcare systems actually work.
 
What's your solution?

Healthcare premiums were rising at unsustainable levels prior to the ACA. For profit healthcare and pharma simply sent bills to insurance companies, the insurance companies don't care what sht costs because they pass it along to the paying consumer along with their cut. Meanwhile, millions of American's are priced out of the game all together, so they show up to the ER like it's a walk-in family practice clinic, all the while tax payers subsidize the cost of that care because ER's are net losers for every hospital system in the country. But that's really not a big deal to them because they just send uncle sam a bill for the tax payers to eat.

If we, American's want to thump our chests about being 'da bestest' wouldn't you agree that middle class families shouldn't have to choose between putting food on the table or paying BCBS in case tragedy strikes? And if the decision is to put food on the table and little Johnny gets cancer, the family is now thrust into bankruptcy.

Perhaps ACA isn't the answer, but at some point it's naysayers are going to have to put up an alternative or sit down.
No they weren’t. Our company’s had reasonably leveled off. But they’ve jumped like they are on steroids (hint: they are) since adoption of the ACA and my coverage is worse! Looking at it today I’d say they should have left it the hell alone!
 
What many don't realize is that tax payers were subsidizing the care through taxes for the uninsured already. It's not like you're hard earned money suddenly started flowing to hospital systems to shore up the high cost of the ACA when it was enacted, the money being spent now is just put into an easier to attack column.
Ok so we were paying for it anyway, and somehow costs have skyrocketed while coverage got worse since it’s adoption. Cue the “this is fine” fiery meme.
 
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What's your solution?

Healthcare premiums were rising at unsustainable levels prior to the ACA. For profit healthcare and pharma simply sent bills to insurance companies, the insurance companies don't care what sht costs because they pass it along to the paying consumer along with their cut. Meanwhile, millions of American's are priced out of the game all together, so they show up to the ER like it's a walk-in family practice clinic, all the while tax payers subsidize the cost of that care because ER's are net losers for every hospital system in the country. But that's really not a big deal to them because they just send uncle sam a bill for the tax payers to eat.

If we, American's want to thump our chests about being 'da bestest' wouldn't you agree that middle class families shouldn't have to choose between putting food on the table or paying BCBS in case tragedy strikes? And if the decision is to put food on the table and little Johnny gets cancer, the family is now thrust into bankruptcy.

Perhaps ACA isn't the answer, but at some point it's naysayers are going to have to put up an alternative or sit down.
EDs are overwhelmed with having to deal with things like homeless people using it as a quick restaurant/hotel, police having to bring intoxicated/drugged people there instead of jail like the old days because of lawyers, and because there are no psych facilities to take mentally ill people to 24/7 because the government shut them down to be humane and save $$$$. Oh and don't forget the illegals
 
No they weren’t. Our company’s had reasonably leveled off. But they’ve jumped like they are on steroids (hint: they are) since adoption of the ACA and my coverage is worse! Looking at it today I’d say they should have left it the hell alone!

I don't deny that cost have risen since the implementation of the ACA but you're wrong about the rising cost before hand, your anecdotal experience not withstanding. It's not really even debatable...

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Ok so we were paying for it anyway, and somehow costs have skyrocketed while coverage got worse since it’s adoption. Cue the “this is fine” fiery meme.

Again. What's your solution to get all American's covered and to do so in a way that doesn't cost more?
 
EDs are overwhelmed with having to deal with things like homeless people using it as a quick restaurant/hotel, police having to bring intoxicated/drugged people there instead of jail like the old days because of lawyers, and because there are no psych facilities to take mentally ill people to 24/7 because the government shut them down to be humane and save $$$$. Oh and don't forget the illegals

I'm glad you agree.
 
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What many don't realize is that tax payers were subsidizing the care through taxes for the uninsured already. It's not like you're hard earned money suddenly started flowing to hospital systems to shore up the high cost of the ACA when it was enacted, the money being spent now is just put into an easier to attack column.
Yes, but it was still heavily controlled by overreaching govt regs. Does that happen if they are removed? Looks like we'll never know
 
I don't deny that cost have risen since the implementation of the ACA but you're wrong about the rising cost before hand, your anecdotal experience not withstanding. It's not really even debatable...
No I’m not wrong. Mine had leveled off. Most everyone else I spoke with in similar situations agreed.

Look the only good thing that came from this was mandatory pre-existing condition coverage. However at the negatives on top with that we would have been better if they left it alone
 
Again. What's your solution to get all American's covered and to do so in a way that doesn't cost more?
I gave you my solution but it’s too late. I said leave it alone. Obviously it’s too late for that however the idiots that broke it don’t seem to be able to fix it now do they.
 
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I gave you my solution but it’s too late. I said leave it alone. Obviously it’s too late for that however the idiots that broke it don’t seem to be able to fix it now do they.

But the "leave it alone" solution doesn't fix the un debatable issue of the rising costs of health insurance being levied by a "for profit" system. MILLIONS of American's were and are still having to make the choice between coverage and food.

What it boils down to is are American's willing to pay more to make sure everyone gets cradle to grave healthcare, no questions asked?

The quality of healthcare argument that seems to get trotted out is also a loser. Given the vast sums that our country pumps into healthcare, our outcomes are on average with or lagging behind most of our 1st world peers.
 
Honest question. Do you know a single individual on the ACA plans? I can’t think of a single one that has told me they chose one. I know of a few whom said for the expense they didn’t think the coverage was worth it. Yes I admit this is anecdotal. However the data for the entire industry I work in isnt. We’ve always had what would be called “good insurance” they have to have it to attract talent. Cost of doing business. But our present “good insurance” is **** compared to a decade ago
 
But the "leave it alone" solution doesn't fix the un debatable issue of the rising costs of health insurance being levied by a "for profit" system. MILLIONS of American's were and are still having to make the choice between coverage and food.

What it boils down to is are American's willing to pay more to make sure everyone gets cradle to grave healthcare, no questions asked?

The quality of healthcare argument that seems to get trotted out is also a loser. Given the vast sums that our country pumps into healthcare, our outcomes are on average with or lagging behind most of our 1st world peers.
No we are not with the provisions put forth which is Medicare For All.

And the “ok we broke it so now you have to fix it” isn’t my problem. My answer is roll it back.
 
Honest question. Do you know a single individual on the ACA plans? I can’t think of a single one that has told me they chose one. I know of a few whom said for the expense they didn’t think the coverage was worth it. Yes I admit this is anecdotal. However the data for the entire industry I work in isnt. We’ve always had what would be called “good insurance” they have to have it to attract talent. Cost of doing business. But our present “good insurance” is **** compared to a decade ago

No, because I don't run in crowds that would need it. That's hardly evidence that it's not being used.

Again, I'd encourage you to look outside of your sandbox - you'll find that other people were getting raked over the coals annually by the private insurers long before the ACA took off.
 
No, because I don't run in crowds that would need it. That's hardly evidence that it's not being used.

Again, I'd encourage you to look outside of your sandbox - you'll find that other people were getting raked over the coals annually by the private insurers long before the ACA took off.
Ok so you understand and prioritized good healthcare for your family yet some how you want to blame me for doing the same while not choosing to carry people who don’t? I gave you my solution. Leave it alone. If you want to be a hero that’s for you to take on and not try to shift it to me.
 
Ok so you understand and prioritized good healthcare for your family yet some how you want to blame me for doing the same while not choosing to carry people who don’t? I gave you my solution. Leave it alone. If you want to be a hero that’s for you to take on and not try to shift it to me.

I never saw your solution, beyond "leave it alone", which isn't a solution at all. I freely admit that I don't know what the solution is, but can admit that the status quo sucks.

Like I said, it boils down to whether our society wants to protect its people by providing healthcare or if we want to be a society where the haves essentially are complacent with knowing that there are huge swaths of their countrymen that could slip into poverty at the drop of a hat. You seem to reside in the latter.
 
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Yes, but it was still heavily controlled by overreaching govt regs. Does that happen if they are removed? Looks like we'll never know
Things such as the $2 million dollar penalty that hospitals are forced to pay under ACA if they don't give 90% of their employee flu shots.

Things like this along with the forcing people to buy insurance if they want it or not are the issues, besides the NOT being able to keep your doctor thing
 
But the "leave it alone" solution doesn't fix the un debatable issue of the rising costs of health insurance being levied by a "for profit" system. MILLIONS of American's were and are still having to make the choice between coverage and food.

What it boils down to is are American's willing to pay more to make sure everyone gets cradle to grave healthcare, no questions asked?

The quality of healthcare argument that seems to get trotted out is also a loser. Given the vast sums that our country pumps into healthcare, our outcomes are on average with or lagging behind most of our 1st world peers.
This is pretty subjective though...our diverse population of 375 million people including large swaths of severally mentally ill people, drug addicts, obese people, smokers, gang related shootings, etc. aren't the same as say Norway where rich, healthier white people make up the majority of the population.
it's like saying Tennessee football doesnt match up with Boise State record wise, when our facilities, fan base, budget, support, etc. are 10,000x better, but we struggle because we play 5-8 ranked teams a year vs Boise St which doesn't have to worry about any of that.
 

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