Obamacare Survives SCOTUS

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lawgator1 said:
Neither of these points address the issue, at all.

The point of the ACA was to get more people who are (or were) currently not participating in paying into the system to in fact start participating. Take the young and in particular those whose jobs don't provide a mechanism to get into the system a way to get into the system. The plan has always been to expand the base of people paying in.

You guys should love that. Reduce freeloaders. That's why Romney et al proposed the same concept themselves. Get these people to pay SOMETHING when they were otherwise paying nothing, and ending up misutilizing the system down the line.

The fact that premiums have gone up is not relevant to the point, at all.
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And it failed miserably and you keep ignoring that when we point it out. The amount of uninsured isn’t changed that much and bureaucracy and costs have skyrocketed. Thanks Obummer!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No. From what I understand the in network allowed charges are largely derived from the Feds allowance table.
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I know I was ripped off on my last ER trip when my dog caused me to trip on a walk and I filleted my knee open on a stormwater grate. The ER doc said they needed to xray it make sure there was no rocks/pebbles etc. in it before they stitched it up. A few months later I get a bill in the mail for a few hundo for reading the ER xrays from an out of network doc. I'm no rocket surgeon, but I think I could tell if there were a piece of gravel in my knee looking at an xray without sending it to a radiologist.
 
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Seems like the lesson that should be taken away from this experience is that the way to win in the marketplace of ideas is with better ideas rather than trying to kill the ideas of others.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Seems like the lesson that should be taken away from this experience is that the way to win in the marketplace of ideas is with better ideas rather than trying to kill the ideas of others.
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That’s odd I thought the overall lesson from this would be not to force junk polices on the masses by congress just to get someone’s name on it and kick it down the road hoping somebody will turn the sows ear into a silk purse . #YouHaveToVoteItInToSeeWhatsInIt.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Neither of these points address the issue, at all.

The point of the ACA was to get more people who are (or were) currently not participating in paying into the system to in fact start participating. Take the young and in particular those whose jobs don't provide a mechanism to get into the system a way to get into the system. The plan has always been to expand the base of people paying in.

You guys should love that. Reduce freeloaders. That's why Romney et al proposed the same concept themselves. Get these people to pay SOMETHING when they were otherwise paying nothing, and ending up misutilizing the system down the line.

The fact that premiums have gone up is not relevant to the point, at all.
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What's the point of more people paying in if costs arent impacted?

They were paying nothing because ERs cant turn people away. That issue hasnt been fixed. And with the state limits on policies it probably artificially made people pay more, when the state mandate didnt fix anything.
 
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LouderVol said:
What's the point of more people paying in if costs arent impacted?

They were paying nothing because ERs cant turn people away. That issue hasnt been fixed. And with the state limits on policies it probably artificially made people pay more, when the state mandate didnt fix anything.
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You can't expect it to happen overnight, and given the actions of the GOP to undemrine it for their own gain at the expense of the American people, it will take even more time.
 
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We should have the GOP plan in two weeks, if I remember right.

And I do want to see an alternative plan brought up for consideration. I would gladly back the conservative Heritage Foundation plan from the mid 1980s.

Something has to give, and without bankrupting people like me in the process.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You can't expect it to happen overnight, and given the actions of the GOP to undemrine it for their own gain at the expense of the American people, it will take even more time.
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How much time do the democrats need? They control congress and the executive branch, if it's good for the people it should sail through congress and Biden just signs whatever they tell him too. So how is the GOP undermining anything?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You can't expect it to happen overnight, and given the actions of the GOP to undemrine it for their own gain at the expense of the American people, it will take even more time.
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Overnight? It's been 8 years. And the cost increase trend just accelerated.

And removing the mandate and opening up state options, did more to help costs then anything.

Anecdotes are anecdotes but we already have one poster show a direct case of how the Rs stuff helped.
 
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AshG said:
We should have the GOP plan in two weeks, if I remember right.

And I do want to see an alternative plan brought up for consideration. I would gladly back the conservative Heritage Foundation plan from the mid 1980s.

Something has to give, and without bankrupting people like me in the process.
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Neither really gives a damn in wanting to solve it sadly. As with most things it’s more useful as political collateral just as the DACA dreamers and the border crisis.
 
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AshG said:
People are paying more because for-profit insurance companies are still the main driving force in implementation of the law. My doctors are having to fight harder and harder to get treatments approved. Gotta keep up those shareholder dividends and pay those CEO bonuses!
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The lobbyist always make sure the industry wins.
 
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AshG said:
People are paying more because for-profit insurance companies are still the main driving force in implementation of the law. My doctors are having to fight harder and harder to get treatments approved. Gotta keep up those shareholder dividends and pay those CEO bonuses!
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Yeah let’s shift the blame from where it really belongs, the government. They are the main problem. The more government gets its hands in things the worse things get.

While there is no real solution to healthcare, limiting the government involvement as much as possible is a step in the right direction.
 
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VolStrom said:
You'll need that extra $800 if you ever need to use your health insurance. I'm paying about $750/month with an $8550 deductible before it pays a single dime. I don't know what I'd do if it was any more affordable.
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My broker has an Aflac type plan on it that'll pay extra expenses up to $10K or so. That's a good way to insure your ugly deductible. And the Obamacare plans also have a huge deductible
 
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lawgator1 said:
Neither of these points address the issue, at all.

The point of the ACA was to get more people who are (or were) currently not participating in paying into the system to in fact start participating. Take the young and in particular those whose jobs don't provide a mechanism to get into the system a way to get into the system. The plan has always been to expand the base of people paying in.

You guys should love that. Reduce freeloaders. That's why Romney et al proposed the same concept themselves. Get these people to pay SOMETHING when they were otherwise paying nothing, and ending up misutilizing the system down the line.

The fact that premiums have gone up is not relevant to the point, at all.
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So the fact that it's not affordable isn't relative to "the Affordable Care Act." No that doesn't even pass the giggle test. It was all about controlling costs for the consumer so it'd be affordable. Unless you get subsidies, it's not affordable at all
 
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evillawyer said:
This one's for you sweetie! XOXO

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Sea Ray said:
So the fact that it's not affordable isn't relative to "the Affordable Care Act." No that doesn't even pass the giggle test. It was all about controlling costs for the consumer so it'd be affordable. Unless you get subsidies, it's not affordable at all
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Another dodge.

The ACA has millions of people paying into the system who otherwise would be paying nothing.

It is the ultimate Republican ideal.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Another dodge.

The ACA has millions of people paying into the system who otherwise would be paying nothing.

It is the ultimate Republican ideal.
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Damn you’re obtuse. The level of uninsured isn’t significantly changed and the costs for everyone have skyrocketed and many were forced to change their providers. By any measure the ACA is an abject failure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Another dodge.

The ACA has millions of people paying into the system who otherwise would be paying nothing.

It is the ultimate Republican ideal.
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Yet made costs go up despite all claims to the contrary (it's literally in the name). How is this more useful than allowing the market to open and provide options?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Supposedly more people are paying yet costs have skyrocketed. It’s almost like the government intervention made things worse
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What's your solution?

Healthcare premiums were rising at unsustainable levels prior to the ACA. For profit healthcare and pharma simply sent bills to insurance companies, the insurance companies don't care what sht costs because they pass it along to the paying consumer along with their cut. Meanwhile, millions of American's are priced out of the game all together, so they show up to the ER like it's a walk-in family practice clinic, all the while tax payers subsidize the cost of that care because ER's are net losers for every hospital system in the country. But that's really not a big deal to them because they just send uncle sam a bill for the tax payers to eat.

If we, American's want to thump our chests about being 'da bestest' wouldn't you agree that middle class families shouldn't have to choose between putting food on the table or paying BCBS in case tragedy strikes? And if the decision is to put food on the table and little Johnny gets cancer, the family is now thrust into bankruptcy.

Perhaps ACA isn't the answer, but at some point it's naysayers are going to have to put up an alternative or sit down.
 
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Septic said:
What's your solution?

Healthcare premiums were rising at unsustainable levels prior to the ACA. For profit healthcare and pharma simply sent bills to insurance companies, the insurance companies don't care what sht costs because they pass it along to the paying consumer along with their cut. Meanwhile, millions of American's are priced out of the game all together, so they show up to the ER like it's a walk-in family practice clinic, all the while tax payers subsidize the cost of that care because ER's are net losers for every hospital system in the country. But that's really not a big deal to them because they just send uncle sam a bill for the tax payers to eat.

If we, American's want to thump our chests about being 'da bestest' wouldn't you agree that middle class families shouldn't have to choose between putting food on the table or paying BCBS in case tragedy strikes? And if the decision is to put food on the table and little Johnny gets cancer, the family is now thrust into bankruptcy.

Perhaps ACA isn't the answer, but at some point it's naysayers are going to have to put up an alternative or sit down.
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The ACA is govt intervention because the previous govt intervention didn't work. It's the one constant when DC decides to do something
 
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