Obama's Pastor: damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

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I don't know about you guys..but hearing that his pastor and adviser is saying this stuff has about 100x more affect on my opinions than the Muslim crap.
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't know about you guys..but hearing that his pastor and adviser is saying this stuff has about 100x more affect on my opinions than the Muslim crap.
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You are right, but it all plays into the radical muslim frame of mind around the world. There are a bunch of pieces to the Obama puzzle, and the Muslim piece fits in extremely well when I look at the rest of the picture.
 
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I actually heard most of this on talk radio during the drive home and was shocked at the whole thing. Sad stuff
 
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GoVols817 said:
You are right, but it all plays into the radical muslim frame of mind around the world. There are a bunch of pieces to the Obama puzzle, and the Muslim piece fits in extremely well when I look at the rest of the picture.
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...or maybe that the world is filled with angry people who look for someone to blame for their or their follower's problems? I'm not sure it has anything more to do with Islam than it does with Christianity.
 
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volinbham said:
Anybody see the clip of this guy talking about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky? Hilarious.

Here's the text:



He added some "motions" to demonstrate while he was saying it. I never saw anything like that in my church!
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I saw it on Fox News this morning, and tried to find the video on their website, but couldn't find it.

His motions looked like Ty Detmer when he threw a touchdown for the Eagles.
 
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therealUT said:
Is it just me or does anybody else believe that if the rest of America is paying income taxes that churches should too? This approach would definitely get rid of a bunch of slick "ministers" who are nothing more than parasitic con-artists out to make a buck playing on the hopes and fears of their community.
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Let's have the NCAA pay taxes first
 
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TennTradition said:
I don't care if he is off his campaign...if Obama attended his church, then he was well aware of his sermons....a simple "I'm off the campaign" doesn't suffice for me....
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Does McCain attending a church that called Catholics the wh@res of Christianity give you the same feeling?
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=login

Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. ObamaÂ’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”
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From this quote in last year's NYT article, BHO and his pastor discussed the very scenario that is presently occurring. It's not looking good for BHO at this point in time.
 
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volsforever27 said:
I don't think that's accurate. If you're talking about Hagee, McCain didn't attend his church for over 20 years like Obama.
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He still attended the church more than once.

I am not trying to defend Obama, I just think this topic is getting ridiculous. Everyone has a friend that they would be embarrassed by if they were put under a microscope like Obama, Clinton and McCain are. I personally would like for the reverend to go buy some history books and quit spouting off conspiracy theories from the 1960's Black Panthers.
 
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MontereyVol said:
He still attended the church more than once.

I am not trying to defend Obama, I just think this topic is getting ridiculous. Everyone has a friend that they would be embarrassed by if they were put under a microscope like Obama, Clinton and McCain are. I personally would like for the reverend to go buy some history books and quit spouting off conspiracy theories from the 1960's Black Panthers.
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Having a friend ... .and then having someone you look at as a mentor as place as an adviser on your Presidential campaign are two different things to me. Maybe I am blowing it out of proportion, but I see that as a pretty big deal.
 
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MontereyVol said:
Does McCain attending a church that called Catholics the wh@res of Christianity give you the same feeling?
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Does McCain call him a mentor and is that pastor an official campaign adviser?

And...besides...while I disagree with him, that is the kind of self-destructive banter you almost expect to hear at churches. It's wrong, but you hear it. Churches attack other kinds of churches extremely often....I must say that I hope it is more rare that churches rail against their country, except at Westboro, of course.
 
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TennTradition said:
Does McCain call him a mentor and is that pastor an official campaign adviser?

And...besides...while I disagree with him, that is the kind of self-destructive banter you almost expect to hear at churches. It's wrong, but you hear it. Churches attack other kinds of churches extremely often....I must say that I hope it is more rare that churches rail against their country, except at Westboro, of course.
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Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.
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I wouldn't go so far as to call this guy a campaign adviser in the sense it sounds like he was actually influencing the main campaign. Really I just think this is stupid, if a Catholic member was gong to mass every Sunday their whole life and thought the world of their preacher, how much do you think they know about the fathers free time. It has been stated the Rev. did not preach this particular stuff during his Sunday sermons. If he did, I find it hard to believe that Obama an elected official for 14 years is just now getting hammered for this stuff.
 
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One difference I see is that Hagee's comments (while deplorable) stick within the realm of religious bigotry.

Wright's comments show a world view of politics and power. In short, I see Wright's comments as more politically radical. Add to that the close and mentoring relationship and the two situations look different to me.

It raises doubt as to whether or not BO believes any of what the good pastor was spouting about the government, etc.
 
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The difference is Obama is a member of the church. The views are not a one time "bad day" Wright was having.
 
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I'm with you, there is a world of difference between the two (Hagee vs the Rev.) I just wonder how many realize this is a smear by association tactic. 20 years Obama has been going to this church 14 years as an elected official and now someone has bothered themselves to go film the guy. Hillary was a Goldwater girl and McCain has Hagee et others and neither have warranted 5 straight days of being the headliners.

If the media or Hillary campaign are going to crucify Obama for his family/upbringing then they cant make the argument he is a bigot/racist/whatever.
 
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allvol123 said:
The difference is Obama is a member of the church. The views are not a one time "bad day" Wright was having.
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one time bad day? I will have to disagree with you there.

Also should the members of the San Francisco Diocese be punished for being members?
 
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volinbham said:
One difference I see is that Hagee's comments (while deplorable) stick within the realm of religious bigotry.

Wright's comments show a world view of politics and power. In short, I see Wright's comments as more politically radical. Add to that the close and mentoring relationship and the two situations look different to me.
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What about Wright vs. Bob Jones? :unsure:

Let's see you split hairs with that one.
 
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