Obama's Pastor: damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

#51
#51
I'll have to Google that. I have no idea about him.

You'll have to be more specific there are 10,000,000,000 Bob Joneses out there. I even work with a guy by that name!
 
#52
#52
one time bad day? I will have to disagree with you there.

Also should the members of the San Francisco Diocese be punished for being members?

Disagree why? The man surely believes what he preaches does he not? These kinds of thoughts you don't just wake up one morning and formulate during cereal and OJ. The man believes what he says and I am sure these messages are passed around in conversation frequently in that church. It is what it is. Being a member of a church is much different than a casual attendee. I don't walk lock step with my pastor or congregation...but it is safe to assume I agree with the broad thoughts passed around in my church. Hence the reason I am a member there.

I don't know anything about the San Francisco Diocese point unless you are making some reference to the pedophile scandal.
 
#53
#53
20 years Obama has been going to this church 14 years as an elected official and now someone has bothered themselves to go film the guy.
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Does this in any way excuse the message he offers. Don't spew outrageous crap and you won't have to worry if someone is taping you or not.
 
#54
#54
That message The Rev is preaching isnt even original. He is getting it from the conspiracy theories of the 60's hippies. That and the distorted view of WWII this guy has isnt his own idea either. I agree with you guys in that I think the Rev. is a j@ack@ss and a bigot who needs to go to school for some more history lessons.

but your point about lockstep helps my point. What you are seeing is sound bites of what this guy says outside of his Sunday sermons taken from over 20 years. Believe me if he had anything else bad to say it would have been shown. So maybe Obama doesn't walk lockstep with that particular view of the rev.
 
#55
#55
If I'm wrong please correct me. But, isn't this supposed to be the Church of Christ? I grew up COC and went to a COC HS and we couldn't even dance much less say damn and make motions of a bj in church.

IMO, this will do two things.. People will run to BHO's support and people will act like they never heard of BHO before. I'm just proud that America started to scrutinize this guy.
 
#59
#59
That message The Rev is preaching isnt even original. He is getting it from the conspiracy theories of the 60's hippies. That and the distorted view of WWII this guy has isnt his own idea either. I agree with you guys in that I think the Rev. is a j@ack@ss and a bigot who needs to go to school for some more history lessons.

but your point about lockstep helps my point. What you are seeing is sound bites of what this guy says outside of his Sunday sermons taken from over 20 years. Believe me if he had anything else bad to say it would have been shown. So maybe Obama doesn't walk lockstep with that particular view of the rev.

Disagree again. Obama has even referred to this guy being like an "Uncle" to him. This guy doesn't go around for 20 years secretly holding these views. And on top of that, Obama I am confident has long known about these views since he is so close to the man. If Obama is any kind of man deserving of being the POTUS then he would have cut ties with a church like this long ago. But he didn't, so he isn't worthy. Not that I thought he was before this, but this is just disgraceful. Don't see how a person could defend belonging to such a church. If my pastor delivered one sermon or even if I heard him speaking in a casual conversation with messages like these I would leave my church that day, for good.
 
#60
#60
Disagree again. Obama has even referred to this guy being like an "Uncle" to him. This guy doesn't go around for 20 years secretly holding these views. And on top of that, Obama I am confident has long known about these views since he is so close to the man. If Obama is any kind of man deserving of being the POTUS then he would have cut ties with a church like this long ago. But he didn't, so he isn't worthy. Not that I thought he was before this, but this is just disgraceful. Don't see how a person could defend belonging to such a church. If my pastor delivered one sermon or even if I heard him speaking in a casual conversation with messages like these I would leave my church that day, for good.

My church holds the view that abortion is a sin and we owe it to God to go out and fight this everyday. For me and my family abortion is wrong, ultimately I would not dream of telling you or our family what to do in that situation.
 
#61
#61
Don't get the point. I don't think a church believing abortion is sin is a radical view. A person may disagree but can't see how they would claim the church is holding a radical view by claiming abortion is a sin. I'm not telling Obama how to behave. He is running for president and thus his actions or lack thereof are to be looked at. His association with this man and church I find disgusting.
 
#62
#62
This may shed some light on BHO's wife's previous statements about not being proud of America. There's more to this.
 
#63
#63
This may shed some light on BHO's wife's previous statements about not being proud of America. There's more to this.

Why does there need to be more to this? It's bad enough for Obama as it is. Right or wrong, it makes Obama look like a radical by association. I do think though that there is almost a cultural difference in the black church that is being missed a little bit . . . but it doesn't even slightly excuse the statements.
 
#64
#64
Why does there need to be more to this? It's bad enough for Obama as it is. Right or wrong, it makes Obama look like a radical by association. I do think though that there is almost a cultural difference in the black church that is being missed a little bit . . . but it doesn't even slightly excuse the statements.


Because spouses generally (usually) share the same views and her statements were and probably are true. And if this is not the exception then what she said was probably intimated to her from BHO. Hence, BHO selecting which church his family attends, out of probably a thousand churches in the Chicago area sheds light on his beliefs. That coupled with the fact that he harps on the fact that he was a Civil Rights attorney helping the "opressed" in society really clears things up for me.

Simplified for me like this. If I don't like a tv show, I change the channel. I may experiment with the tv show, but ultimately if I don't like it I won't watch it and I dang sure wont tell my friends and family to watch it.
 
#65
#65
What about Wright vs. Bob Jones? :unsure:

Let's see you split hairs with that one.

I'm not familiar enough with Bob Jones.

Also, I disagree that I'm splitting hairs. Neither is preaching tolerance but Wright's comments stretch well beyond religious intolerance (in comparison to Hagee's).
 
#66
#66
Don't get the point. I don't think a church believing abortion is sin is a radical view. A person may disagree but can't see how they would claim the church is holding a radical view by claiming abortion is a sin. I'm not telling Obama how to behave. He is running for president and thus his actions or lack thereof are to be looked at. His association with this man and church I find disgusting.

That is the point! I don't agree with the stance my church takes on the subject, but I still attend for its other merits.

You are also right that Obama should be looked at. I just think he is getting more publicized bad coverage than Clinton is. I believe she is the worse of the two evils.
 
#67
#67
This may shed some light on BHO's wife's previous statements about not being proud of America. There's more to this.

I think this is a good point. She does strike me as someone who actually takes the rev's statements to heart. While I don't think Obama does.
 
#70
#70
One difference I see is that Hagee's comments (while deplorable) stick within the realm of religious bigotry.

Wright's comments show a world view of politics and power. In short, I see Wright's comments as more politically radical. Add to that the close and mentoring relationship and the two situations look different to me.

It raises doubt as to whether or not BO believes any of what the good pastor was spouting about the government, etc.

That is a better way to raise the question / make the point I was trying to raise/make...
 
#73
#73
Well, I can't imagine he thinks white people suck when his mother is one.

Which begs the question, why would Obama surround himself with charcters that hate whitey when his own mom is white? :ermm: It calls into question his character and sense of loyalty. If he would hang around a guy that essentially insults his mom, can we put it past him that he would surround himself with people that hate America and capitalism?
 
#75
#75
What I don't get is how on Earth the Obama campaign didn't get this out of the way on day 1 of the campaign. They had to know that it would be a problem.
 

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