Obama's stance on Gay marriage his Waterloo?

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It appears, based upon the polls, that Obama made a very poor political decision backing gay marriage. I understand that he is trying to get the left motivated and maybe some moderates but he is distancing himself farther and farth from the catholic church ( a huge voting percentage) with every decision he goes publice with.

Does anyone else see this as his potential waterloo?
 
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In the end, people are going to care about the economy much more so than a social issue like gay marriage. Right now it's in the forefront. A month from now, no one will give a hoot about it. At least not enough to change their vote. The ones that do care about it are on the far right side of the spectrum and were never going to vote for Obama anyway.
 
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The Pastor at Ebenezer Baptist here in ATL, MLK's former and the most influential black church, tried his best to deflect it Sunday in his sermon. He told his congregation that this one issue should not stop them from voting for BHO. It was not well received.
 
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Not sure about it, reading the tea leaves on this issue is difficult because public opinion on the matter is changing so rapidly. If he said this ten years ago, then he would have been toast. Now, not sure.

Re: Catholics, the clergy and those who occupy the pews for mass tend to be fairly different. Clergy votes socially conservative but the attendees tend to be much more socially liberal. Pennsylvania is far and away the most important state in November with this demographic, and every major poll shows Obama with a small to moderate lead there.
 
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The big question for me is what will be the next thing that Crazy Uncle Joe spouts out and the President has to then evolve his position faster than he would like?
 
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2ironVol said:
In the end, people are going to care about the economy much more so than a social issue like gay marriage. Right now it's in the forefront. A month from now, no one will give a hoot about it. At least not enough to change their vote. The ones that do care about it are on the far right side of the spectrum and were never going to vote for Obama anyway.
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I disagree. I think this is a piece of red meat that will have some staying power. I think this may have sealed Obama's fate with North Carolina. As a voting block, I can't think of a more anti-LGBT rights group than black evangelicals. There is the religious aspect of it which is common among all evangelicals, but homosexuality is especially taboo in black communities.
 
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What was the polling question?

I've seen some that ask "Do you agree with gay marriage?"

...which I think is different than...

"Would you vote to ban gay marriage?"

Agreeing with it is one thing, voting against it is another.
 
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Obama will lose the election over this one. They interviewed folks in Chattanooga last night on NewsChannel 9 and the blacks interviewed were against gay marriage.

This is a issue that will stay there throughout the election and Obama certainly doesnt want the economy mentioned.
 
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Vol4ever said:
Obama will lose the election over this one. They interviewed folks in Chattanooga last night on NewsChannel 9 and the blacks interviewed were against gay marriage.

This is a issue that will stay there throughout the election and Obama certainly doesnt want the economy mentioned.
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Negative ghostrider..........this is a calculated political move
 
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Vol4ever said:
Obama will lose the election over this one. They interviewed folks in Chattanooga last night on NewsChannel 9 and the blacks interviewed were against gay marriage.

This is a issue that will stay there throughout the election and Obama certainly doesnt want the economy mentioned.
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Something like 95% of black voters voted for Obama in 08. A minor issue like this isn't going to change that on this go around.
 
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NEOCON said:
It appears, based upon the polls, that Obama made a very poor political decision backing gay marriage. I understand that he is trying to get the left motivated and maybe some moderates but he is distancing himself farther and farth from the catholic church ( a huge voting percentage) with every decision he goes publice with.

Does anyone else see this as his potential waterloo?
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Cracker - are you referring to the Waterloo in Beligum or Waterloo, IA?
 
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Not sure how Romney has the stones to take the total anti-gay marriage position here. Wait, scratch that.

1) He will smell opportunity and so abandon everything he has said in the past and declare, without exception, that gay marriage should not be allowed.

2) Confronted by his earlier statements, he will claim they are out of context.

3) When demonstrated to be in context he will modify his position to be that it should be up to the states as marriage is a state law issue.



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4) When told that this is Obama's position, too, he will claim credit for coming up with the idea originally.



In other words, the standard Romney play.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Something like 95% of black voters voted for Obama in 08. A minor issue like this isn't going to change that on this go around.
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it's interesting to think about, b/c it's been argued that the high black voter turnout is what helped Prop 8 in California.

I think by November Obama's stance on the issue will have little impact. The economy and jobs will be the leader and "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" will make a cameo or two.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
Something like 95% of black voters voted for Obama in 08. A minor issue like this isn't going to change that on this go around.
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Especially in places like Chattanooga, where he won't win in the red states no matter what he says.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure how Romney has the stones to take the total anti-gay marriage position here. Wait, scratch that.

1) He will smell opportunity and so abandon everything he has said in the past and declare, without exception, that gay marriage should not be allowed.

2) Confronted by his earlier statements, he will claim they are out of context.

3) When demonstrated to be in context he will modify his position to be that it should be up to the states as marriage is a state law issue.



.... and .....


4) When told that this is Obama's position, too, he will claim credit for coming up with the idea originally.



In other words, the standard Romney play.
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure how Romney has the stones to take the total anti-gay marriage position here. Wait, scratch that.

1) He will smell opportunity and so abandon everything he has said in the past and declare, without exception, that gay marriage should not be allowed.

2) Confronted by his earlier statements, he will claim they are out of context.

3) When demonstrated to be in context he will modify his position to be that it should be up to the states as marriage is a state law issue.



.... and .....


4) When told that this is Obama's position, too, he will claim credit for coming up with the idea originally.



In other words, the standard Romney play.
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Romney seeks evangelical votes; opposes gay marriage | Reuters
 
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lawgator1 said:
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Yes, Barack Obama is known for his hard stance on the tough issues and answering questions directly. Oh wait, he won an election based on "Hope and Change" with no direct answer on how to bring both of those into fruition. Yep, that's the definition of transparency...
 
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I'm not sure how it stands now with the Boomer generation controlling votes. But if the R's hold their anti-gay marriage stance for long, it will hurt them with future generations. Lucky for the R's neither party gives a hoot about what this country looks like 20 years from now.
 
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Weezy said:
I'm not sure how it stands now with the Boomer generation controlling votes. But if the R's hold their anti-gay marriage stance for long, it will hurt them with future generations. Lucky for the R's neither party gives a hoot about what this country looks like 20 years from now.
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Solid
 
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