Obama's stance on Gay marriage his Waterloo?

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I don't want Obama to win, but he probably will. I'm either voting Johnson or leaving the potus box blank, still undecided at the moment. The only thing decent about the silly season every four years is the fodder it creates for crazies and idiots on the networks. It can be entertaining.
 
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GAVol said:
you're dreaming about the young voters, but I agree with the last paragraph. Still not a good idea though. An election year is one hell of a time to pretend to have a revelation about a wedge issue.
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I'm telling you, I've talked to eight people in the last few days who were apathetic about politics but are now planning to vote for obama because he supports gay marriage.

Every person I come in contact with on a day to day basis is 18-24 and most are apolitical but most of them will flock once somebody openly supports gay marriage.
 
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Heard on the radio Romney has a 3 pt lead over Obama based on polling over the weekend.
 
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GAVol said:
you're dreaming about the young voters, but I agree with the last paragraph. Still not a good idea though. An election year is one hell of a time to pretend to have a revelation about a wedge issue.
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Also, my point was more that any additional people who are going to go and vote against Obama specifically because he promoted gay marriage will likely be matched by the additional gay and young people who will now go out and vote for him for the same reason.
 
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All the polls people are looking at which are close reflects the nationwide popular vote. As we all know that really doesn't matter. All that matters this election is Ohio, Michigan, Florida and maybe Missouri or Colorado.
 
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milohimself said:
I'm telling you, I've talked to eight people in the last few days who were apathetic about politics but are now planning to vote for obama because he supports gay marriage.

Every person I come in contact with on a day to day basis is 18-24 and most are apolitical but most of them will flock once somebody openly supports gay marriage.
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I'm not doubting that some will, but don't you live in Oregon?
 
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tums said:
I'm not doubting that some will, but don't you live in Oregon?
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Yes, but two things to note with that: This state isn't as liberal as our neighbors to the north and south, or the northeastern US. And if you look at it like that, the effect would be similar in Colorado and New Hampshire, no?
 
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Interesting polling data

Poll: Obama's gay marriage stance could hurt him - ABC News

Most of those polled say the president's position will not impact how they vote. But among those who say it will influence their choice, 26 percent said they are less likely to vote for Obama as a result, while 16 percent say they are more likely to.
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Sixty-seven percent said they thought Obama's announcement was made "mostly for political reasons," while 24 percent said it was "mostly because he thinks it is right."
In another potentially damaging sign, 70 percent of Independents attribute the president's move to politics, along with nearly half of Democrats.
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milohimself said:
Yes, but two things to note with that: This state isn't as liberal as our neighbors to the north and south, or the northeastern US. And if you look at it like that, the effect would be similar in Colorado and New Hampshire, no?
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Portland is as liberal as it gets, you know this. Washington is only liberal in King County (Seattle) and one or two surrounding counties. California, can't argue there.

Anyway, I was only saying that it isn't surprising to see a bunch of youth folk respond in favor for Obama over this issue in Portland. What is your stance on Bikers vs Motor Vehicle Driver regarding roadways? haha. Had to.
 
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volinbham said:
Interesting polling data

Poll: Obama's gay marriage stance could hurt him - ABC News
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I think he did it for political reasons, but wish he would have done it because it is what he really believes. That goes for the other way as well.

Make a damn statement based on what you really believe...people will agree, they won't, or will be indifferent. This poll shows when you make purely political statements those who can still be swayed will see right through it.
 
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oregon is a very liberal state and will go for Obama no matter what.

where this will hurt him is PA and Ohio were nude bike riding isnt legal.
 
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milohimself said:
I'm telling you, I've talked to eight people in the last few days who were apathetic about politics but are now planning to vote for obama because he supports gay marriage.

Every person I come in contact with on a day to day basis is 18-24 and most are apolitical but most of them will flock once somebody openly supports gay marriage.
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Either you spend a lot of time in gay bars or you just run into a lot of stupid people, seeing as you live in Oregon that isn't hard to imagine.

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18-22 year olds? Generally not the brightest group in many ways. And typically apolitical and unmotivated to vote, except when it comes to stuff like this. I've lost count of how many people I've seen on my facebook and twitter feeds who post pro gay marriage stuff actively, usually linking to some state petition (or now thanking Obama), but if you were to ask them about something vastly more important like trade policy or foreign relations, you'd get hit with the blankest of stares.
 
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I'm telling you, milo.... They still won't turn out enough in swing states to matter.
 
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My original point was that it will, at most, cancel out the additional people who will now turn out to vote against O because he supports gay marriage.
 
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milohimself said:
18-22 year olds? Generally not the brightest group in many ways. And typically apolitical and unmotivated to vote, except when it comes to stuff like this. I've lost count of how many people I've seen on my facebook and twitter feeds who post pro gay marriage stuff actively, usually linking to some state petition (or now thanking Obama), but if you were to ask them about something vastly more important like trade policy or foreign relations, you'd get hit with the blankest of stares.
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How are those same people going to feel when BO presents NO plan, NO bill, NO admendment to legalize gay marriage during the campaign?

Will they feel slighted?
 
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hog88 said:
How are those same people going to feel when BO presents NO plan, NO bill, NO admendment to legalize gay marriage during the campaign?

Will they feel slighted?
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He'll spout off the same stuff from the last SOTU, "Put it on my desk, and I will sign it!" Sounds proactive, doesn't mean anything
 
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milohimself said:
He'll spout off the same stuff from the last SOTU, "Put it on my desk, and I will sign it!" Sounds proactive, doesn't mean anything
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I just think some of these new supporters will feel duped when he fails to put out a firm plan or add the issue to the party's campaign theme. Will it backfire on him with that age group?
 
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hog88 said:
How are those same people going to feel when BO presents NO plan, NO bill, NO admendment to legalize gay marriage during the campaign?

Will they feel slighted?
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The POTUS should not be presenting bills and amendments to Congress; if the POTUS says he will sign something that is put on his desk, that is a clear indicator to Congress that he wants this legislation.
 
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