Of Tennessee's Last 5 B-Ball Coaches, Which would you rather have....

Which Coach would you rather have?

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#126
#126
dickens821 said:
Pearl has proven more than O'Neill so stating that KO can do more than Pearl/win games in the tourney is just crap.
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No he hasn't. He has continued to lose every game he should plus others he shouldn't. His style of coaching isn't going to win big in the tourney. O'Neill's will with some patience. Pearl is a marketer, O'Neill is a basketball coach.
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#127
#127
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, because post Houstonian UT and Northwestern are exactly the places I would use to evaluate a coach. Ask the folks at Marquette where they were when KO showed up and where they were when he left.
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Just curious, what is your opinion of Pearl's stint at UW-Milwaukee?
 
#128
#128
wrgn said:
Just curious, what is your opinion of Pearl's stint at UW-Milwaukee?
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He did a fine job of building on what Bo Ryan started. However, he certainly didn't build much of a foundation himself, hence their record since he left.
 
#129
#129
BigPapaVol said:
No he hasn't. He has continued to lose every game he should plus others he shouldn't. His style of coaching isn't going to win big in the tourney. O'Neill's will with some patience. Pearl is a marketer, O'Neill is a basketball coach.
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Look, while I think Pearl is inept in some aspects, to say that he has no coaching ability whatsoever might be stretching it out a bit, to say the least.
 
#130
#130
BigPapaVol said:
No he hasn't. He has continued to lose every game he should plus others he shouldn't. His style of coaching isn't going to win big in the tourney. O'Neill's will with some patience. Pearl is a marketer, O'Neill is a basketball coach.
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I'll use facts. Pearl is a winner. KO is not.
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#131
#131
I'm going to love pulling up this thread in a couple of years when KO has SC in the 'AAs and people here have finally clued in to what an utter sham and a snake Tanning Bed Bruce is. Of course, the tears of the Star of David Bodypaint Brigade will have caused the Tennessee River to rise to flood stage and Pratt Pavilion will collapse due to shifting soil, but that's just too bad.
 
#132
#132
hatvol96 said:
I'm going to love pulling up this thread in a couple of years when KO has SC in the 'AAs and people here have finally clued in to what an utter sham and a snake Tanning Bed Bruce is. Of course, the tears of the Star of David Bodypaint Brigade will have caused the Tennessee River to rise to flood stage and Pratt Pavilion will collapse due to shifting soil, but that's just too bad.
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But you don't claim to be biased, right?
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#133
#133
hatvol96 said:
I'm going to love pulling up this thread in a couple of years when KO has SC in the 'AAs and people here have finally clued in to what an utter sham and a snake Tanning Bed Bruce is. Of course, the tears of the Star of David Bodypaint Brigade will have caused the Tennessee River to rise to flood stage and Pratt Pavilion will collapse due to shifting soil, but that's just too bad.
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Do you really think that O'Neill is going to stay anywhere for long enough of a time to build that program up? Not trying to be a smartass or anything, but it's not like he's ever stayed anywhere for long enough of a time to reap what he sow.
 
#134
#134
dickens821 said:
But you don't claim to be biased, right?
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I don't think I've ever hidden my personal opinions about Kevin O'Neill or Bruce Pearl. I think Jim Calhoun may well be the biggest jackass in college basketball history. That doesn't change the fact I'd double my VASF donation and buy two extra season tickets if he replaced Pearl tomorrow.
 
#135
#135
nickknx865 said:
Do you really think that O'Neill is going to stay anywhere for long enough of a time to build that program up?
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At this point in his life, why wouldn't he? When I talked to him over Christmas, he was perfectly happy being back in the NBA and he considered it to be permanent. He wouldn't have come back to the college game if he didn't intend to make a go of it.
 
#136
#136
Listen, I like KO as a coach. I think he is outstanding when it comes to the defensive game. I also think he is pretty below mediocre at the offensive game... I'm not a huge fan of Pearls (especially over the last half year or so)... but it bugs the crap out of me when people make statements like "KO without a doubt" or anything like that. It goes against reason. KO has proven absolutely nothing as a head coach other than his teams can play a hell of a defense. I loved the fact that he was with the Grizzles. I wish he would have stayed.
 
#138
#138
hatvol96 said:
He's proven he can take a team just as deep into the 'AA tournament as college basketball's version of George Hamilton can.
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Once. Pearl still has a better percentage in the tournament, and a better percentage over all. The facts are what they are. Our distaste (or our friendships with those we'd like to have) for what we have right now isn't going to change that.
 
#139
#139
dickens821 said:
Once. Pearl still has a better percentage in the tournament, and a better percentage over all. The facts are what they are. Our distaste (or our friendships with those we'd like to have) for what we have right now isn't going to change that.
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Ok, I'll use your theory and take some "facts" in a vacuum and see what I get. Guy has a 2-1 career record. Has been to a Final Four. That guy obviously is a vastly superior coach to Tanning Bed. Come on down, Arkansas State Coach John Brady. Get your kudos from dickens. See, "facts" without context are so much fun.
 
#140
#140
hatvol96 said:
Ok, I'll use your theory and take some "facts" in a vacuum and see what I get. Guy has a 2-1 career record. Has been to a Final Four. That guy obviously is a vastly superior coach to Tanning Bed. Come on down, Arkansas State Coach John Brady. Get your kudos from dickens. See, "facts" without context are so much fun.
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I'm afraid your argument doesn't really phase me. I am slowly getting to the point where I'd admit Brady is a better coach than Pearl.

Sad, isn't it?
 
#141
#141
Although I could show you the facts where Brady only had 2 above .500 years in the SEC... Whereas Pearl has been above .500 every year. Won the SEC once, and won the SEC East 3 times...

Edit: Scratch that, he had 3 over .500 years.
 
#142
#142
I like this game. I'll keep playing. This coach reached the Sweet 16 in five of his seven years as a head coach, including one trip to the Elite Eight. Come on down, ESPN analyst Steve Lavin, you're the next contestant on "Dickens' Standards Say I'm A Better Coach Than Bruce Pearl."
 
#143
#143
hatvol96 said:
I like this game. I'll keep playing. This coach reached the Sweet 16 in five of his seven years as a head coach, including one trip to the Elite Eight. Come on down, ESPN analyst Steve Lavin, you're the next contestant on "Dickens' Standards Say I'm A Better Coach Than Bruce Pearl."
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You're not going to upset me or frazzle me. I don't think Pearl is that good of a coach. I hope he proves me wrong over the next few years, but it's not likely.
 
#145
#145
hatvol96 said:
Not trying to do that. I'd just never realized how much fun removing context from "facts" is. I'm going to do it more often. It will make for some awesome proclamations.
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What context is there for declaring KO is a better head coach than Pearl? Every fact you can give me goes against that idea.
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#146
#146
dickens821 said:
What context is there for declaring KO is a better head coach than Pearl? Every fact you can give me goes against that idea.
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How many times in over 100 years of basketball has Northwestern made the postseason? How many times has Tennessee? Who built programs that were strong enough that Mike Deane and Jerry Green were able to step in and win? How strong was what Tanning Bed built in Milwaukee? I'm sure they've just kept mowing down the Horizon League. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Bruce Pearl had ever taken over a situation remotely akin to what KO inherited in Knoxville and Evanston. Had he done so, his coaching career would be over and he'd be kissing ESPN's ass trying to catch on as the Bronzed Bill Raftery. Then again, context is irrelevant. I learned that tonight.
 
#147
#147
hatvol96 said:
The list of people who know why Josh Selby is gone from DeMatha:
1. Mike Jones and his staff.
2. Everyone involved with the DC/Baltimore AAU circuit.
3. Team Selby themselves.
4. The myriad of coaches who stopped recruiting Selby because they figure if DeMatha is too tough for a guy, their program won't be any better for him.
5. Anyone who speaks to the people included in categories 1-4 with any frequency.

Selby is gone from DeMatha because they don't have to deal with prima donnas and headaches there. They have great players lined up begging for the opportunity to play for the program Morgan Wooten built. They don't have to compromise their standards or appease 16 year olds who think the invented the game.
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Fair enough. I'll take your word. I have a couple contacts in category #2 (VA side of the river) but they didn't have any definitive answers.
 
#148
#148
hatvol96 said:
How many times in over 100 years of basketball has Northwestern made the postseason? How many times has Tennessee? Who built programs that were strong enough that Mike Deane and Jerry Green were able to step in and win? How strong was what Tanning Bed built in Milwaukee? I'm sure they've just kept mowing down the Horizon League. This wouldn't even be a discussion if Bruce Pearl had ever taken over a situation remotely akin to what KO inherited in Knoxville and Evanston. Had he done so, his coaching career would be over and he'd be kissing ESPN's ass trying to catch on as the Bronzed Bill Raftery. Then again, context is irrelevant. I learned that tonight.
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So you have 0 facts. Just opinions and guesses... Glad to know. Of course facts mean nothing. I learned that tonight.
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#149
#149
dickens821 said:
So you have 0 facts. Just opinions and guesses... Glad to know. Of course facts mean nothing. I learned that tonight.
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Jerry Green and Mike Deane didn't make a bunch of NCAA Tournaments with teams KO recruited? O'Neill isn't responsible for one of four postseason appearances in the history of Northwestern basketball? Milwaukee hasn't fallen off the end of the Earth? Not sure how those things aren't facts. Then again, using dickens' definition of "facts," Phil Fulmer and Nick Saban are equivalent coaches. Actually, Fulmer's better because of his vaunted winning percentage. I love being able to remove context from things. Steve Fisher is now a better basketball coach than the vast majority of guys working. Danny Wuerffel was four times better than Peyton Manning who, in turn, was only half as good as Andy Kelly. I like where this is going.
 
#150
#150
hatvol96 said:
Jerry Green and Mike Deane didn't make a bunch of NCAA Tournaments with teams KO recruited? O'Neill isn't responsible for one of four postseason appearances in the history of Northwestern basketball? Milwaukee hasn't fallen off the end of the Earth? Not sure how those things aren't facts. Then again, using dickens' definition of "facts," Phil Fulmer and Nick Saban are equivalent coaches. Actually, Fulmer's better because of his vaunted winning percentage. I love being able to remove context from things. Steve Fisher is now a better basketball coach than the vast majority of guys working. Danny Wuerffel was four times better than Peyton Manning who, in turn, was only half as good as Andy Kelly. I like where this is going.
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I think if you will check Hat, Milwaukee was in fact very competitive in the Horizon the year following Pearl's move to Tennessee. They had a senior laden team and made the NCAA tournament. So, I guess that kind of goes against your argument.
 
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