Offense is broken

#26
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Voluntarius said:
I've noticed far less usage of our lightning fast up-tempo style of offense since we started closing the talent gap Heupel initially faced coming in. Especially in the early days with Golesh, it gave us a wrinkle that was hard to deal with defensively and helped win us some games that we didn't necessarily have the talent to win otherwise. The inherent downside to up-tempo is the possibility of a high number of quick 3 and outs. Our defense can barely catch their breath and they're right back out there. They give up chunks of yardage and big plays, and it's quickly a high scoring game.

While we still do up-tempo occasionally depending on the situation, we're seeing a more game control, clock management focused pace with our offense simply because we can do that now. To me, this has been the unrecognized contributing factor to our much improved defensive play. The end result is we don't get into as many wide-open shootouts, our offensive numbers are down, and our defensive stats are up. We are simply more balanced than before. We are NOT necessarily just regressing on offense. We're now holding many very good offensive opponents down simply by denying them a huge ToP advantage that they may have enjoyed against us in the past.
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He has also slowed down I believe due to a QBs not being able to read the defense as quick. One for whatever reason and one for experience reasons…..
 
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Here is the breakdown for SEC play.
We avg 192 ypg rushing=1540total
We avg 205 ypg passing=1643 total
3183 total for the season in SEC play, a 397avg per game, out of 5555 yards total in all games.
 
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I think you should change the name of this stupid post. OSU fans are all over this website and your thread title is misleading and makes us look like clowns.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Omg will you stop deflecting questions by asking more questions?! Just answer the damn question!

Edit: Nevermind! GAVol understood the assignment!
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Because it isn't relevant. We still played well on offense even during league play. Did we score 30+/game like our season average shows? No, but no SEC team scored 30+/game in conference either. Not to mention other schools (like Texas and Ole Miss) played a considerably weaker schedule than we did.

Everyone else in the country played cupcakes schools as well (or they were a cupcake themselves). And yet we still finished 8th nationally.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Take away the cupcakes and only look at league play. Where do we rank then?
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And how you compare those stats then? Our SEC numbers against every other team with their cupcakes included? Is there a readily agreeable coefficient that we can apply to normalize the data so that we can have an apples to apples comparison against an ACC or Big 12 team? The cupcakes only represent one fourth of the season. And everyone plays them.
 
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Carp said:
UGA did not have a mediocre offense this year. Or did you miss where they torched our elite defense all game?
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Carson Beck was a pick machine this year and they were 2 plays from being 8-4. In not sure whether you call that mediocre, lacking or just “not elite” but they definitely fell off this season without Bowers, McConkey etc.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Omg will you stop deflecting questions by asking more questions?! Just answer the damn question!

Edit: Nevermind! GAVol understood the assignment!
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Not sure it’s all that relevant though. Everybody pads stats out of conference and if you look at the in conference numbers, it’s basically Ole Miss and then you can throw a blanket over the next 5 or 6 teams.
 
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GAVol said:
Carson Beck was a pick machine this year and they were 2 plays from being 8-4. In not sure whether you call that mediocre, lacking or just “not elite” but they definitely fell off this season without Bowers, McConkey etc.
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This is true. However UGA still ranked 28th in scoring offense this year. Not elite by any means, but certainly not mediocre.
 
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The biggest issue this year on offense is the execution. How many turnovers have they had once they are past the 50? These turnovers kill the momentum and it takes time to regain composure. I was frustrated at times this season with what felt like vanilla play-calling. Although oddly enough most games we moved the ball pretty well in the first or second drives only to have a turnover killing the momentum.
 
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VOLociraptorr said:
We're only top 10 in yards per game and TDs for the seasy


I'm so sick of this narrative. I think everyone locally and nationally expects the 2022 offense. Therefore, they assume we are 'bad' this year on offense. It's not statistically true at all. We're top 10. Ohio State is #38 in total offense for those wondering, and they beat down plenty of cupcakes too.
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This narrative had a case when we played Arkansas and at that point of the season. The offense has improved dramatically since then.

It still isn't at a National Title contention level but it isn't a weakness anymore.
 
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Question: When y’all post “we suck” comments, are you just referring to those posting to VN, or are you including the Vols?
😉
 
#44
#44
So if I had to pick on the offense, here we go.

I do think the offense wasn't good in the span of games that included Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Florida. Alabama (especially second half) seemed to be a slight turning point. The offense did come a live against Florida in second half as well but that was mostly Dylan Sampson. Nico and the WRs really started to turn the corner against Alabama. Injuries may have played a part in some of the struggles.

QB Play/Nico - Nico is progressing every game. If I want to pick on his faults, here they are: His running ability hasn't been as strong as expected although he is getting better. I think the coaching staff doesn't want him to run as much to preserve him.

Nico has been inconsistent in accuracy but is getting better. The underthrow at Vandy that led to INT is a great example of when he is not on. He had a bigger problem, midseason, with this but has improved. A lot of this is knowing the WRs and confidence.

Another area in the passing game is Nico has not "seen" some wide open receivers at times. Again, I see progressing in this space. To be fair, it is probably challenging to see all downfield receivers. I felt like during the midseason slump, more creative short passing plays could have helped and we were not calling them enough.

Overall this part of the game has improved and progressed. Credit to the Staff and Nico. Still not perfect but you have to see development here

WR Play - I think this is still an issue at times. I think injury plays into this one though. Squirrel White is our best downfield threat and he has been injured most the season. Donte Thornton has stepped up. Nimrod did a good job at times but he is transferring now which surprised me. Bru McCoy seems to not be as strong of a downfield threat. I feel like he is great at winning 1-on-1 jump ball matchups (perhaps best on the team) and we could utilize that more. Kieltzemen (likely butchered that) has become a great TE threat. Brazzell has been good but really hasn't lived up to hype. After those listed, I haven't seen much.

OL Line - This has been an issue but has developed well. I think Heard and Campbell have come along well. Our run blocking is great, our pass blocking has been the issue. I notice a lot of defenses are tacking advantage of the RB blocking (i.e. Sampson). Sampson is NOT a great blocker. When we played Georgia, they brought extra blitzers that Sampson would pick up and it didn't go well, they pushed him aside. We need to find more creative way to handle these blitzes. False Start and Holding penalties have killed us at times this year but I noticed a reduction in these penalties since the Alabama/Kentucky game.

RB Play - Not much to say here. Sampson is a stud (although he can't block) and the other RBs tend to step up. I think Peyton Lewis is turning into a real threat. Bishop is a solid RB as well but I think he has health issues.


I am not sure if I missed anything. I do think our offense had major issues in the 3-game span of Oklahoma to Florida but I have seen steady progression since that midseason slump. I think injuries have impacted Tennessee at times.

One major headache is that this offense tends to move the ball a lot but is challenged to finish drives with points. This still seems to be a concern although we have progressed in this area as well.
 
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Not saying it is all sunshine and rainbows for our offense, but there has been a very significant shift this year in offensive efficiency. League play has been brutal for a lot of offenses this year.

In 2024 conference play, A&M finished with the highest average points per game at 29.4 (we are at #9 with 25)

In 2023 conference play, LSU finished #1 with 42.9 AVG/G (we finished #11 at 24.4). In 2022, we finished #1 with 43.4. Other years prior to '22 have similar totals for that stat.

That is a stark difference in the overall total. The other interesting thing for 2024 is that the variance is much tighter compared to previous years. I am not going to calculate the means for each year, but if you look at 2024, you will notice a ton of teams are hovering in the 21-28 range. Previous years the range was from 20-38ish range.

This year has been a noticeable difference in overall offensive efficiency. Pretty much every offense has struggled at one point or another, and the defenses are a lot better this year. Also, the new clock changes for this year have lessened the overall number of possessions, leading to a drop in overall offensive stats.

Also, before you go comparing the 2023 to 2024 totals to make some snarky comment against Nico vs Joe Milton: my last point above about limited possessions is critical to understand. Scoring 25 points in 2024 is much harder than in 2023 because the overall number of possessions per game has dropped. I am struggling to find overall totals, but there are a few stray data points about this since the 2024 clock changes.

Here is the data: Stats - Football - Southeastern Conference
 
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#46
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orange parmejohn said:
There have been many issues on offense, but they are still a coiled up snake and can strike without warning. Hit a few more downfield shots and stop the wobbling before the snap, and the offense could be lethal.
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The “wobbling” is the most irritating for me. Only because it continues. I wish they’d just tell Heard to just watch the ball like the defenders.
 
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Nico ee-ah-MAH-LAY-ah-va said:
Not saying it is all sunshine and rainbows for our offense, but there has been a very significant shift this year in offensive efficiency. League play has been brutal for a lot of offenses this year.

In 2024 conference play, A&M finished with the highest average points per game at 29.4 (we are at #9 with 25)

In 2023 conference play, LSU finished #1 with 42.9 AVG/G (we finished #11 at 24.4). In 2022, we finished #1 with 43.4. Other years prior to '22 have similar totals for that stat.

That is a stark difference in the overall total. The other interesting thing for 2024 is that the variance is much tighter compared to previous years. I am not going to calculate the means for each year, but if you look at 2024, you will notice a ton of teams are hovering in the 21-28 range. Previous years the range was from 20-38ish range.

This year has been a noticeable difference in overall offensive efficiency. Pretty much every offense has struggled at one point or another, and the defenses are a lot better this year. Also, the new clock changes for this year have lessened the overall number of possessions, leading to a drop in overall offensive stats.

Also, before you go comparing the 2023 to 2024 totals to make some snarky comment against Nico vs Joe Milton: my last point above about limited possessions is critical to understand. Scoring 25 points in 2024 is much harder than in 2023 because the overall number of possessions per game has dropped. I am struggling to find overall totals, but there are a few stray data points about this since the 2024 clock changes.

Here is the data: Stats - Football - Southeastern Conference
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What was the clock changes? I know they added the 2 min warning.

Wasn't it a few years back that they changed it to where if you run out of bounds they don't stop the clock until under 2 minutes in the half?
 
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