Offense is broken

#52
#52
Raebo said:
If I remember correctly we were top 2 or 3 in offense after the first 3 or 4 games. And apparently have been dropping since then.
There are many variables involved but the only things that matter is the W/L record and who we beat and loss to.
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Our starters only played 1 half also. Sometimes less than a half.
 
#53
#53
jaguinn5 said:
You asked a question on a message board. They answered it. Where’s the issue?
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None now. But initially, instead of answering it, everybody got up in their feels and was like...

"WELLWHATABOUTEVERYOTHERTEAMTHEYPLAYCUPCAKESTOOYOURENOTBEINGFAIR!YAR!YAR!YAR!!!"
 
#54
#54
I try not to think about it but the last time our new QB faced a top ranked defense leader in the nation, we smoked their ass! Iowa was supposed to show us what a real defense looked like. Hope to see more of the same!
 
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#56
2nd in the conference, 9th vs conference opponents only. Nationally 8th, 78th vs conference opponents only (vs best conference, obviously, but still...)
In conference games, we scored 6 less touchdowns that South Carolina: meaning that 3 out of every 4 games, South Carolina got an extra touchdown.

Incidentally, in 8 conference games, we faced 6 of the 7 worst scoring defenses in the conference. It was a disappointing offensive season.
 
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We ran the ball more and had fewer pass attempts than the last two years.

In conference we averaged 7.4 yards/attempt passing, that's ties us at 8th with Georgia and Texas. 9th in attempts, 7th in completions and 11th in y/g.

We led the league in rushing attempts with 45.13 p/g and avg 4.25 yards/attempt. Average yards per was down, 4.71 in 22 and 5.59 in 21.

Total O 6th in yds p/g but 11th in yds per play and 3rd in plays. Compared to last year we more or less had about 200 more rushing yards and 300 less passing yards with 40 more plays.

DS carried the load. Bishop is nice but we didn't have fresh legs coming in as in 21/22. If someone had told me last year that Nico would have had less attempts and yards than Joe I would have laughed at him. Understand the playbook hasn't been as open to him as a FR but time to turn those pages. WRs have to catch balls and RBs have to hold on to the ball.

Git er done, you Vols!
 
#58
#58
rocytop2624 said:
What was the clock changes? I know they added the 2 min warning.

Wasn't it a few years back that they changed it to where if you run out of bounds they don't stop the clock until under 2 minutes in the half?
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The other big change in 2024 is that the clock doesn't stop to move the chains when you get a 1st down in bounds unless you are under 2 minutes. That alone ends up milking an extra 10-15 seconds per first down if your guy is tackled in bounds.

So if you go 3 and out, it really doesn't change much. But if you start stringing together 1st downs, then you will start taking minutes off the clock by the end of the game. 5 first downs in a game ends up taking a minute off the clock that could have been there previously.

Somebody with more time and AI will probably run a better analysis, but Tennessee gets about 24 first downs a game on average this year. There isn't a stat tracked on that page on in bounds vs out of bounds 1st downs, but for argument lets say half of those were in bounds. That is 12, which translates to about 2 minutes of "lost" game time (12 X 10 seconds = 120 seconds or 2 minutes). Multiply that by 2 because the other team also gets first downs. That means ~4 minutes of lost game time compared to 2023's rules.

There are a lot of variables (like how fast the chain gang catches up to set up the new downs) but the example above shows how we are seeing shortened games. Also my above example doesn't show the difference between the pre and post 2 minute mark stopping the clock to move the chains.
 
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The offense has been improving throughout the season. Putting 36 on vandy and getting 550 yards was a nice way to finish. Hopefully we come out of this break red hot on that side of the ball. Nico is flashing big time and other teams should be scared. Other than Dillon Gabriel I think he is the best QB in this field.
 
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barney said:
The offense has been improving throughout the season. Putting 36 on vandy and getting 550 yards was a nice way to finish. Hopefully we come out of this break red hot on that side of the ball. Nico is flashing big time and other teams should be scared. Other than Dillon Gabriel I think he is the best QB in this field.
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If you notice, the 8 in coverage doesn't bother Nico as much. The best thing that other teams did, was start odd fronts and dropping 8 into coverage. The windows are tighter, and Nico has acclimated well.
 
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#64
I like looking at yards per play because it tells you how well a team controlled a game. I also think using teams that qualified for bowls makes sense for setting a baseline for playoff teams. Against winning FBS teams (7 wins or better), UT averaged 4.87 yards per play, 90th in the country. Ohio State averaged 6.45, good for 12th.

On the flip side, UT gave up only 5.08 on defense in those games (18th nationally) and Ohio State gave up 4.65 (7th).

Ohio State played 6 games against winning FBS teams; UT played 3: UGA, Bama, UF. Ohio State played Oregon, Penn State, Indiana, Michigan, Iowa, and Marshall.

Michigan beat Ohio State with defense, holding them to 4.3 ypp. Oregon beat them with offense, getting 7.6 ypp. Both of those numbers are more than 2.5 ypp from Ohio State’s whole-season averages.
 
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VOLociraptorr said:
We're only top 10 in yards per game and TDs for the seasy


I'm so sick of this narrative. I think everyone locally and nationally expects the 2022 offense. Therefore, they assume we are 'bad' this year on offense. It's not statistically true at all. We're top 10. Ohio State is #38 in total offense for those wondering, and they beat down plenty of cupcakes too.
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Our offense isn't horrible, but take away our 4 Non Conference Games, our offense was average at best. Some of that wS breaking in a FR QB, bad pass blocking, tons of penalties, lots of WR drops and play calling.
 
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#66
GAVol said:
In league play we were something like 6th.
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I posted it above.

We were 9th in scoring offense in conference games at 25 ppg.

But aTm at #1 was only at 29.2 ppg.

Not worlds of difference by any means.
 
#67
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Carp said:
No you can't. Certainly not in the SEC. Teams with mediocre offenses don't win 10 games in this conference. You can be the best defense in the nation, but you aren't winning 10 games in the SEC these days with a mediocre offense.
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No true. TN, Ga,Texas at times have mediocre Offense's. Looking at other CFP Offenses, Penn St is mediocre, Ohio St is mediocre, ND is mediocre..
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Our offense isn't horrible, but take away our 4 Non Conference Games, our offense was average at best. Some of that wS breaking in a FR QB, bad pass blocking, tons of penalties, lots of WR drops and play calling.
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Will nobody look at the actual numbers but me? Here they are…AGAIN:

We were 9th in scoring offense in conference games at 25 ppg.

But aTm at #1 was only at 29.2 ppg.
 
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#69
why is there NEVER any deception in the offense? Little to no misdirection, never a trick play...just nothing that says heupel and his staff are clever and imaginative. You probably see 5-6 KC Chiefs plays EVERY WEEK that speak to their imaginative play calling. And yet, there is the bottom line to look at on the alternative side, right? We're in the playoffs, 10-2...But some changes are going to have to be made if we are going to maximize our potential, because who cares if we score 70 against Kent St?
 
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jasonvol18 said:
No true. TN, Ga,Texas at times have mediocre Offense's. Looking at other CFP Offenses, Penn St is mediocre, Ohio St is mediocre, ND is mediocre..
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For one, I said SEC. But since you brought it up, Penn State, Ohio St, and ND are all top 25 in scoring offense. Mediocre is certainly not the word to describe offenses in the top 25 of scoring.

Secondly, every team is mediocre "at times." Ole Miss struggled on offense against vs UF and UK. It happens from time to time.

Texas finished with a top 10 offense. UGA was 29th. These aren't mediocre offenses.
 
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jasonvol18 said:
Our offense isn't horrible, but take away our 4 Non Conference Games, our offense was average at best. Some of that wS breaking in a FR QB, bad pass blocking, tons of penalties, lots of WR drops and play calling.
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Take away every teams 4 easiest/best offensive games. I guarantee you that we still stack up well nationally.
 
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#74
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cardvolfan said:
Still not comparative because the league schedules are different. OSU got brownie points for beating an Indiana team which was and is still overrated.
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Do we not get brownie points for beating KY, Miss St, and Vandy?

I just wanted to know where we ranked offensively in league play.
 
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