Official Brexit Referendum Discussion

[Velo Vol]

It's telling when Putin cares more about democracy than the globalist overloards and their corporate media propaganda machine. (And our resident lefties can't recognize that fact.)

No, he cares about fragmenting/weakening western institutions.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Now why would he care?

Putin is an authoritarian POS as far as I’m concerned. But he’s absolutely right on this point.

 

[Velo Vol]

The closer this gets, the awesomer it sounds.

 

[Velo Vol]

It just keeps getting better and better. (thread)

 

[Velo Vol]

Gonna be interesting what happens next in this slow-rolling train wreck.

 

[Velo Vol]

Meanwhile Russia is still at it.

 

[carlos86]

Brexit fails!!!!

MPs have overwhelmingly voted to reject Theresa May's Brexit deal by a majority of 230 (432 to 202) the worst parliamentary defeat in the modern era.

 

[Mick]

Brexit fails!!!!

MPs have overwhelmingly voted to reject Theresa May's Brexit deal by a majority of 230 (432 to 202) the worst parliamentary defeat in the modern era.

A defeat for nationalism.

 

[hog88]

A defeat for nationalism.

They'll regret it in a few years.

 

[NorthDallas40]

A defeat for nationalism.

May's biggest challenge came from hardline pro-Brexit lawmakers within her own Conservative party -- their opposition to what they see as an overly soft exit has dogged her deal from the start.

 

[Mick]

Is she not hardline alt right conservative enough for them? I assume they have a better deal they are working on?

 

[carlos86]

The UK has 11 weeks to either:


1) Get a substantively different withdrawal agreement deal which the EU won't give them and re-vote on it


2) Decide to abandon Brexit entirely, which neither May nor Corbyn want


3) Or the UK defaults out of the EU with no withdrawal agreement.

 

[Velo Vol]

Brexit fails!!!!

MPs have overwhelmingly voted to reject Theresa May's Brexit deal by a majority of 230 (432 to 202) the worst parliamentary defeat in the modern era.

Two years to deliver the promised magic of Brexit, and this is the best they can do.

SMH.

 

[Velo Vol]

The UK has 11 weeks to either:

Could get an Article 50 extension. But given no one knows what to do, you wonder what the point would be.

 

[evillawyer]

Two years to deliver the promised magic of Brexit, and this is the best they can do.

SMH.

I haven't followed the brexit stuff closely, but wasn't the referendum non-binding? At this point, parliament should just say we can't reach an agreement on how to do this, so we're withdrawing our withdrawal letter. Of course, the conservatives will have to eat crow for a bit, but it's still better than being invited to the White House for a NC dinner.

 

[carlos86]

Could get an Article 50 extension. But given no one knows what to do, you wonder what the point would be.

The EU said they can’t use the Article 50 to buy time.

“ECJ just said you can only withdraw A50 if you have changed your mind on leaving. Can't resubmit just to play for time.”

 

[NorthDallas40]

If the UK doesn’t follow thru at this point and leave the EU they have failed their citizens who voted and failed to maintain their sovereign identity. Plain and simple.

If people didn’t want to leave they should have shown up at the appointed time in the appointed polling center and cast their vote. Elections have consequences.

 

[Velo Vol]

I haven't followed the brexit stuff closely, but wasn't the referendum non-binding?

Yes. Parliament could have just looked at the results, said OK, and done nothing at all.

“ECJ just said you can only withdraw A50 if you have changed your mind on leaving. Can't resubmit just to play for time.”

It would extend if the UK has a path forward. A hard Brexit would be bad for the EU, too.

 

[AM64]

The UK has 11 weeks to either:


1) Get a substantively different withdrawal agreement deal which the EU won't give them and re-vote on it


2) Decide to abandon Brexit entirely, which neither May nor Corbyn want


3) Or the UK defaults out of the EU with no withdrawal agreement.

They are making it way too complicated

You Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free
You Just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don't need to be coy, Roy
Just listen to me
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don't need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free

 

[Velo Vol]

 

[AM64]

It's more like a group of sovereign states formed a compact and created a monster that wants to steal their individualism. One of them had it's eyes open, recognized the signs of creeping federalism, and it's people voted for secession. The problem, always, in creating a higher government is that the top level bureaucrats and politicians abhor a power "vacuum" even more than mother nature. Politicians and bureaucrats inevitably structure everything so that it's almost impossible to unravel thereby ensuring their own lifetime jobs, soaring costs for legacy programs, soaring taxes, but with less accountability and more authority for themselves.

 

[Velo Vol]

There's got to be political leadership against it, for it to be stopped. I still don't see that.

 

[tvolsfan]

It would be a bloodbath for the conservatives if there was a second referendum, IMO. Not sure they would ever support that.

 

[Velo Vol]

It would be a bloodbath for the conservatives if there was a second referendum, IMO. Not sure they would ever support that.

Second referendum or general election. Either way, Brexit does not break down neatly along party lines.

 

[carlos86]

Things that are happening because of the Brexit failure:

Nissan has broken its commitment to make a new car in Sunderland, Yorkshire. Warehouses are stocked to capacity with food, and the BBC are considering a move to Brussels, as they need an EU base to broadcast in Europe and the British Government talking about evacuating the Queen because of potential "unrest". They didn't even evacuate the Queen during the Blitz.