Official Duke/UNC 2016-17 Thread

#401
#401
NashVol11 said:
The point wasn't to say Maye is better than Giles, guys
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We know. It's just funny to me that when Duke needs 4 min Harry and 2 min Bolden to come in and play against bigger teams like UNC those two come in and make an impact like it was all apart of the plan ever since the injuries occurred. Hmmmm.

It's okay though, he can keep dogging those two because right they're doing exactly what Duke needs them to do to keep on winning.
 
#402
#402
kid50 said:
It's actually exactly what most people who follow Duke basketball very closely thought would happen. Thats why people suggested he didn't play. The plan for Harry was always to play him maybe 15-20 mins a game to show scouts he was healthy and the hope was he could make an impact in those minutes. The surgery right before the season set that plan back even more.
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No matter how many times you say it, 4 minutes in late February is not exactly what most people thought would happen. That's why his draft stock has dropped. This ACL tear wasn't nearly as bad as his previous one, and he came back from that one as strong as ever. The main issues were conditioning and the scope he had in September, neither of which were expected to limit him this much for this long.
 
#403
#403
NashVol11 said:
No matter how many times you say it, 4 minutes in late February is not exactly what most people thought would happen. That's why his draft stock has dropped. This ACL tear wasn't nearly as bad as his previous one, and he came back from that one as strong as ever. The main issues were conditioning and the scope he had in September, neither of which were expected to limit him this much for this long.
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Dude, it's exactly what people thought would happen after this latest surgery. That's why people urged him not to play, because if he came out and showed signs that these injuries have slowed him down then his stock would drop which is what has happened. His stock isn't dropping because of minutes played, its dropping because his explosiveness and lateral quickness hasn't shown up yet and that's worrying scouts. Had he not had a scope before the season we probably would see him more but the staff isn't going to risk his future.

He would've played more this last game but he got in foul trouble. Had he not picked up 3 fouls in 4 mins he would've played more - maybe closer to 10-15 minutes because he still on a minutes restriction. Why is that so hard to understand why he's hardly playing? No smart staff is going to let a guy coming off major surgery start playing major minutes right away. He's played, what, 15 games? No one expected him to be playing 30 minutes a game right now because that would be dumb for anyone to let him do that.
 
#404
#404
1. His major surgery was more than a year ago. Arthroscopic surgery isn't major
2. February 18 isn't "right away" compared to September
3. There's a lot of room between 30 minutes and 4 minutes
 
#405
#405
Kevin Love just had arthroscopic knee surgery, are we expecting him to play 10 minutes a game during the NBA playoffs? If so, that should be a much bigger story.
 
#406
#406
4. Surgery was the right move. Love may not have needed the surgery, but doing it is the right move. It cuts off trade talk, but that’s an ancillary benefit. What it does is make sure he’s right for the playoffs.
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Weird, the playoffs start 2 months after his surgery.
 
#407
#407
kid50 said:
His stock isn't dropping because of minutes played, its dropping because his explosiveness and lateral quickness hasn't shown up yet and that's worrying scouts.
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Why would it be worrying them if it's what they expected?
 
#408
#408
NashVol11 said:
Why would it be worrying them if it's what they expected?
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Him losing most of his explosiveness and lateral quickness was not expected. Him being brought along slowly in hopes to return him to full health was. Scouts aren't concerned with his production and minutes, they're concerned about his health. No one wants to draft another Greg Oden.
 
#410
#410
NashVol11 said:
So he hasn't been as good as people expected, which is the point.
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I didn't expect him to lose as much as he did, but other than him not having the explosive and lateral quickness he once had, this is exactly what I expected him Giles. Play a little here and there and hopefully make an impact in limited minutes, which he's done exactly that.
 
#411
#411
kid50 said:
I didn't expect him to lose as much as he did, but other than him not having the explosive and lateral quickness he once had, this is exactly what I expected him Giles. Play a little here and there and hopefully make an impact in limited minutes, which he's done exactly that.
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If that "other than" is going to cost him millions, that's a pretty gigantic caveat
 
#412
#412
We can say his minutes are what people expected, but his on-court ability isn't. That's fine, but to me it's still pretty much agreeing with what AV said.
 
#413
#413
NashVol11 said:
We can say his minutes are what people expected, but his on-court ability isn't. That's fine, but to me it's still pretty much agreeing with what AV said.
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AV thinks Giles isn't good which is just dumb. Giles' minutes are limited, but you two seem to be overlooking the fact that's Giles hadn't played basketball in a year and a half and was thrown into the fire against competition in arguably the hardest conference of the past decade or longer. It was going to take sometime to get his feet under him. Minus the Wake game where he was in foul trouble, his talent has been clearly evident in the games before that and his impact has been felt. He's still a little lost defensively and that's more about scheme than skill which is why he (and Bolden) haven't been playing a ton as well. If you know anything about K, it's that if you're lost defensively you're coming unless you can score (like Kennard).

I expected Giles to show flashes of what he used to be and lately he's done that. You're crazy if you think he was going to contribute right away. It was always going to take time.
 
#414
#414
I don't think he's bad. I wouldn't let him slip past the 10th pick in the draft. I do think he so far hasn't been as good as people expected, which I took as AV's main point, but I could be wrong
 
#415
#415
NashVol11 said:
I don't think he's bad. I wouldn't let him slip past the 10th pick in the draft. I do think he so far hasn't been as good as people expected, which I took as AV's main point, but I could be wrong
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I wouldn't let him slip either. I think we all should've known it would take some time for him to adjust to the speed of the game, the physicality, and to trust his knee(s) again since he had surgery on both of them. Minus the Wake game, if you look back at the past 7-8 games, I think you can confidently say this is what we expected from him and it's only going to get better. Just look at the minutes played and the production, that's what we expected. He has a fouling issue that needs to be fixed and until that's corrected he'll continue to be limited.

NC State: 14 mins, 8 pts, 7 rebs, 1 blk, 1 TO, 2 fouls
Wake: 18 mins, 6 pts, 5 rebs, 1 blk, 1 TO, 4 fouls
ND: 9 mins, 4 pts, 5 rebs, 1 ast, 1 TO, 4 fouls
Pitt: 7 mins, 5 pts, 1 foul
UNC: 10 mins, 6 pts, 2 rebs, 1 blk, 1 TO, 1 foul
Clem: 10 mins, 5 rebs, 2 blk, 1 TO, 1 foul
UVA: 19 mins, 5 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 2 stl, 2 TO, 1 foul

He's been limited, but it's hard to say he hasn't been productive and isn't rounding into the player some thought he could be. He still gets lost on D, but he's figuring it out. K comments about him also sound promising regarding the rest of the games and the tournament.
 
#416
#416
kid50 said:
i wouldn't let him slip either. I think we all should've known it would take some time for him to adjust to the speed of the game, the physicality, and to trust his knee(s) again since he had surgery on both of them. Minus the wake game, if you look back at the past 7-8 games, i think you can confidently say this is what we expected from him and it's only going to get better. Just look at the minutes played and the production, that's what we expected. He has a fouling issue that needs to be fixed and until that's corrected he'll continue to be limited.

Nc state: 14 mins, 8 pts, 7 rebs, 1 blk, 1 to, 2 fouls
wake: 18 mins, 6 pts, 5 rebs, 1 blk, 1 to, 4 fouls
nd: 9 mins, 4 pts, 5 rebs, 1 ast, 1 to, 4 fouls
pitt: 7 mins, 5 pts, 1 foul
unc: 10 mins, 6 pts, 2 rebs, 1 blk, 1 to, 1 foul
clem: 10 mins, 5 rebs, 2 blk, 1 to, 1 foul
uva: 19 mins, 5 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast, 2 stl, 2 to, 1 foul

he's been limited, but it's hard to say he hasn't been productive and isn't rounding into the player some thought he could be. He still gets lost on d, but he's figuring it out. K comments about him also sound promising regarding the rest of the games and the tournament.
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Hall Of Fame, IMO.
 
#418
#418
2 Big games with 4 Hall of Fame coaches tonight.
Duke @Cuse 7pm and Louisville @ UNC @9pm. Should be an interesting night of ball.
 
#422
#422
RDU VOL#14 said:
Cuse hit everything the last 2 minutes, stepbacks, 2 bull**** banks, it is what it is.
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Knew it would be a loss when 3 guys have 4 fouls with 8 minutes left. Just move out the way for the shot! Dukes last 2 shots were poor choices as well.
 
#423
#423
volwindy said:
Knew it would be a loss when 3 guys have 4 fouls with 8 minutes left. Just move out the way for the shot! Dukes last 2 shots were poor choices as well.
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Time to Sit Allen for at least a week. His negatives outweighed his positives last night. He needs to rest his ankle.
 
#424
#424
RDU VOL#14 said:
Time to Sit Allen for at least a week. His negatives outweighed his positives last night. He needs to rest his ankle.
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I'd sit Amile as much as we could too and start Giles to let him get a little more run. He looked good last night. Only bring in Amile if needed and let him rest his foot.
 
#425
#425
kid50 said:
I'd sit Amile as much as we could too and start Giles to let him get a little more run. He looked good last night. Only bring in Amile if needed and let him rest his foot.
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I agree, there are 3 5 stars on the bench and Giles has been showing flashes of what he's capable of.
 
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