Official Global Warming thread (merged)

#7,376
#7,376
Big Gucci Sosa said:
Climate change is natural and there's very little we can do about it. Humans have a small impact compared to natural occurrences. Keep being fed propaganda though.
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Now we're getting though. Small as it may be, we should be good stewards of our home instead of screwing it over.
 
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#7,377
McDad said:
I believe you were privy to some observations that some considered alarming. I also believe you are genuinely concerned. Your spawn will be just fine...well, as fine as is reasonable considering they carry your DNA.
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Like I said, didn't realistically expect to change any minds.
All any man can do is tell the truth, can't make anyone consider their side may also play politics and be full of **** at times.

However, you would be surprised at the number that publicly deny, while privately going "oh crap".
Unfortunately, oh crap isn't a good campaign slogan in their districts.

Either way, just shared what I knew.
I'll leave it at that and go before I make more friends question my sanity lol.
 
#7,378
#7,378
Septic said:
Now we're getting though. Small as it may be, we should be good stewards of our home instead of screwing it over.
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Sure but trying to blame all change on humans is insane and that's what the left does. This deal was all about money for a few to benefit from not the climate. Should be called the globalists accord
 
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#7,381
Septic said:
Now we're getting though. Small as it may be, we should be good stewards of our home instead of screwing it over.
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Stewardship, yes. Government mandate of policy based on psuedo scientific observation and provocative claims, no.
 
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#7,382
allvol123 said:
And obviously you can't do this without international agreements.

All shot to hell now.
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International "agreement" where not everyone complies. It's a JOKE. Even if everyone did comply the change wouldn't even be noticed. That's because natural occurrences are the driving force behind climate change. Get a grip
 
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#7,383
chargervol said:
Like I said, didn't realistically expect to change any minds.
All any man can do is tell the truth, can't make anyone consider their side may also play politics and be full of **** at times.

However, you would be surprised at the number that publicly deny, while privately going "oh crap".
Unfortunately, oh crap isn't a good campaign slogan in their districts.

Either way, just shared what I knew.
I'll leave it at that and go before I make more friends question my sanity lol.
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No. Don't go. Serious Q, how have you changed your behaviors since learning of the imminent threat?
 
#7,384
#7,384
allvol123 said:
They lose thousands on every car sold. That thousands with a T.

So STFU yourself musk nut hugger.
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I think you might have just gotten into the "Classic Comebacks of VN History" with that one.

"Musk Nut Hugger."

lolol

Thee man brought thousands of jobs to the US and is on the cutting edge of more than one industry. Yet all you can do is b!tch, whine and moan about it.

Stay classy, Simple Jack. Never change.
 
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#7,386
Big Gucci Sosa said:
International "agreement" where not everyone complies. It's a JOKE. Even if everyone did comply the change wouldn't even be noticed. That's because natural occurrences are the driving force behind climate change. Get a grip
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I agree with you.

Just making fun of the tree huggers and their inability to grasp the ideas of freedom and initiative.
 
#7,387
#7,387
Grand Vol said:
I think you might have just gotten into the "Classic Comebacks of VN History" with that one.

"Musk Nut Hugger."

lolol

Thee man brought thousands of jobs to the US and is on the cutting edge of more than one industry. Yet all you can do is b!tch, whine and moan about it.

Stay classy, Simple Jack. Never change.
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Im still chuckling about his retort.
 
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#7,388
Septic said:
He was referencing the world leaders responses. Hardly meltdowns..
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I know. Changing gears and all. It's polar extremes on here at the moment. Everything from making Trump drink raw sewage to Trump being the greatest President ever.

VN never disappoints.
 
#7,389
#7,389
Grand Vol said:
I think you might have just gotten into the "Classic Comebacks of VN History" with that one.

"Musk Nut Hugger."

lolol

Thee man brought thousands of jobs to the US and is on the cutting edge of more than one industry. Yet all you can do is b!tch, whine and moan about it.

Stay classy, Simple Jack. Never change.
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Cutting edge of an industry created and manipulated by government, by a large degree.

He is an opportunist of the negative type.
 
#7,390
#7,390
Big Gucci Sosa said:
Climate change is natural and there's very little we can do about it. Humans have a small impact compared to natural occurrences. Keep being fed propaganda though.
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Too many people make absolute claims about climate change (usually do to political partisanship) without ever citing facts or doing any serious scientific probing at all. Both sides are guilty of it but conservatives in general, are more guilty of lacking intellectual curiosity when it comes to science. How do scientists know that today's warming is at least partially attributable to humans putting too much carbon in the atmosphere when we burn coal, oil or gas? I will mention 3 points which I can think of just off the top of my head:

1) There are human fingerprints on carbon overload. When humans burn coal, oil and gas (fossil fuels) to generate electricity carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere, where it traps heat. A carbon molecule that comes from fossil fuels is "lighter" than the combined signal of those that come from other sources. As scientists measure the "weight" of carbon in the atmosphere over time they see a clear increase in the lighter molecules from fossil fuel sources that correspond closely with the known trend in emissions.

2) Natural changes alone can't explain the temperature changes we've seen. For a computer model to accurately project the future climate, scientists must first ensure that it accurately reproduces observed temperature changes. When the models include only recorded natural climate drivers - such as the sun's intensity - the models cannot accurately reproduce the observed warming of the past half century. However, when human-induced climate drivers are also included in the models, they accurately capture recent temperature increases in the atmosphere and in the oceans. When all the natural and human-induced climate drivers are compared to one another, the dramatic accumulation of carbon from human sources is by far the largest climate change driver over the past half century.

3) Lower-level atmosphere - which contains the carbon load - is expanding. The boundary between the lower atmosphere (troposphere) and the higher atmosphere (stratosphere) has shifted upward in recent decades. This boundary has likely changed because heat-trapping gases accumulate in the lower atmosphere and that atmospheric layer expands as it heats up (much like warming the air in a balloon). Because less heat is escaping into the atmosphere, it is likely cooling. This differential would not occur if the sun was the sole climate driver, as solar changes would warm both atmospheric layers and would not have warmed one while cooling the other.

As I stated in an earlier post, I am not an environmental zealot but I also think this issue should be about science - not politics... and yet it is somehow always political. Conservatives don't listen to science and are skeptical while liberals do listen to science but can also be stubborn whenever there is conflicting information...

If anyone here wants to dispute this (admittedly) long post, please just argue the science not politics. I don't care what Rush Limbaugh and Fox News thinks.
 
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#7,393
Grand Vol said:
It's to be expected. He made stupid comments, I challenged him with facts, he comes back with half wit retorts.

Classy guy.
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Get over your self.

Your facts were....well other people perform poor behavior as well (subsidies). Great defense their Einstein...or should use term Musk instead of Einstein now.
 
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#7,394
allvol123 said:
Cutting edge of an industry created and manipulated by government, by a large degree.

He is an opportunist of the negative type.
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PayPal and SpaceX were created by the government? Say it ain't so!

You really have no idea WTF you are talking about.
 
#7,395
#7,395
allvol123 said:
Get over your self.

Your facts were....well other people perform poor behavior as well (subsidies). Great defense their Einstein...or should use term Musk instead of Einstein now.
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Get over myself? You're the one coming in here whining about the subsidies received by Tesla. When I pointed out there were far larger industries and companies receiving far larger subsidies, you got all butthurt.

Fossil fuel industry, trillions in subsidies. The Big 3 automotive companies, over 20 times what he received. Yet, you want to single him out?

Get over your lack of facts and educate yourself.
 
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#7,397
chargervol said:
Like I said, didn't realistically expect to change any minds.
All any man can do is tell the truth, can't make anyone consider their side may also play politics and be full of **** at times.

However, you would be surprised at the number that publicly deny, while privately going "oh crap".
Unfortunately, oh crap isn't a good campaign slogan in their districts.

Either way, just shared what I knew.
I'll leave it at that and go before I make more friends question my sanity lol.
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Minds change slowly, but they do change - sometimes.

Many of the posters on here would have been on the "there is no human impact" team a few years ago and they have begrudgingly inched onto the "humans have a small impact" team. Baby steps are required for some.

The good news is that the next generation will be much better informed (which is usually the case).

And some of you will be giving your grand kids the gift of being able to say 30 years from now "you will not believe what my grad dad believed", and they will all have a good laugh.
 
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#7,398
allvol123 said:
Get over your self.

Your facts were....well other people perform poor behavior as well (subsidies). Great defense their Einstein...or should use term Musk instead of Einstein now.
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Oh, farm industries? $25 billion a year.

Per year.
 
#7,400
#7,400
All you guys pissing your pants about global warming should be more concerned with the influx of Muslims into the USA..... they will be a huge problem before the world heats up and explodes
 
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