Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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CountVolcula said:
I remember when I was growing up, Acid rain was going to kill the planet. We were all doomed. All the trees in the Smokies were going to die off by the year 2000

Al Gore was a nutcase then
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Acid rain is not a myth and the effects would have been worse without the clean air and clean water acts brought about by scientific understanding.
 
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CountVolcula said:
I remember when I was growing up, Acid rain was going to kill the planet. We were all doomed. All the trees in the Smokies were going to die off by the year 2000

Al Gore was a nutcase then
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I remember someone done a video about acid rain.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm curious as to how many purchase that green energy option that's available on your bill? You know, the green energy ythat cost more.
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Being 'retired', I now remodel homes. I opt for the most efficient insulation and save massively by self installing and alternative solutions.

A little elbow grease goes a long way. The only sad thing about that statement is having to convince others to get off their asses and do a little work. Surprisingly hard sometimes.

Especially when talking to the party of hard work. Apparently easier to talk the talk than...

Often, it pays to think more than it does to spend more.
 
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chargervol said:
Being 'retired', I now remodel homes. I opt for the most efficient insulation and save massively by self installing and alternative solutions.

A little elbow grease goes a long way. The only sad thing about that statement is having to convince others to get off their asses and do a little work. Surprisingly hard sometimes.

Especially when talking to the party of hard work. Apparently easier to talk the talk than...

Often, it pays to think more than it does to spend more.
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I'm the same way. I do everything myself. Been going back and forth on buying a wood fired boiler to heat the house. I was genuinely curious if anyone purchases the green energy that is usually an option on your power bill.
 
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chargervol said:
We're good brother.
I was perfectly aware where everyone stood when I made the original post.
Shocker - exactly down party lines.
Because 'only those other guys make up crap for personal and party gains'.


You being civil and open to opposing info is all I can ask.


One favor, just think about my original post. Are we too insignificant to have an impact and could we (including business) benefit from slowly adjusting course.

You know the old religious debate? If I'm wrong, we all live a better life. If you're wrong, you go to hell?
In this situation, the conservatives are the atheists.


Buncha heathens'
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Im neither R or D. Hate em both. And, like I said before, I believe you're sincere in what you've seen and what you believe.

This planet has a long history of climate changes, even to the extreme. Gonna happen whether we live as we do or return to nomadic hunter gatherers with no modern comforts.
+1 for heathens
 
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CountVolcula said:
#2- Explain the exceptional warming of the earth during the time of Pangea. Also explain how the movements of the continental shelf changed the climates of areas due to the movement of the plates. Explain how these changes in the land masses effected ocean currents and the cooling and warming cycles. Explain why we have had periods of large masses of ice,melting, icing, melting. Explain mans impact on these natural occurrences

Also, please dive into weather patterns, earths tilt, earths orbit on climate. How the earth doesnt always tilt the same amount every year on its axis. How a few degrees can determine types of weather, heat, cold, etcc.

Now, lets go into the natural extinction of species such as dinosaurs and other large mammals. The changes in the salinity of the oceans. Amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere(last time CO2 was higher, humans were not on the planet)

The climate alarmists are worshipping a false god. The earth will determine whether we live or die, not humans
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There is scientific evidence that proves that the climate was drastically altered then. When the continents separated and reformed themselves it changed the flow of the oceanic currents and winds. This was, of course, continental drift which affected many aspects including climate. When Pangaea separated, the reorganization of the continents changed the function of the oceans and seaways. This restructuring changed the distribution of the warmth and coolness of the oceans. When North America and South America connected, it stopped equatorial currents from passing from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. Warm waters at high latitudes led to an increase in atmospheric moisture. Increased evaporation and moisture resulted in increased precipitation. Evidence of increased precipitation is the development of snow and ice that covers Greenland, which led to an accumulation of the icecap. Greenland's growing icecap led to further global cooling through the separation of Australia and Antarctica and the formation of the Antarctic Ocean. Antarctica cooled down so much it became frigid.

Of course, when you are going back 270 million to try and disprove modern day science there are bound to be flaws... You will essentially be trying to disprove facts with theories - which is at least consistent with how conservatives argue. Anyway, thanks for keeping the debate limited to science and not politics. :hi:
 
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Big Gucci Sosa said:
if you think humans are creating a big change in global warming then prayers to you. Stop watching cnn, MSNBC, fox
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How much is the debatable part of the argument. I posted scientific evidence showing how climate change is currently abnormal compared to the last 650k+ years despite going through 7 major glaciations
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm the same way. I do everything myself. Been going back and forth on buying a wood fired boiler to heat the house. I was genuinely curious if anyone purchases the green energy that is usually an option on your power bill.
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Wouldn't wood fired be worse for climate change types.
 
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McDad said:
Im neither R or D. Hate em both. And, like I said before, I believe you're sincere in what you've seen and what you believe.

This planet has a long history of climate changes, even to the extreme. Gonna happen whether we live as we do or return to nomadic hunter gatherers with no modern comforts.
+1 for heathens
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I think we have probably already had this debate but my memory is as bad as Trumps.

Do you believe there is ever a need for environmental regulation?
 
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luthervol said:
I think we have probably already had this debate but my memory is as bad as Trumps.

Do you believe there is ever a need for environmental regulation?
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Think so. Im in favor of the least government regulation humanly possible...environmental included.
 
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The meltdown on this from the left is great. What is even better is how the business types are crying about having to do something on their own and not rely on the government to tell them what to or not to do. Silly sheeple.
 
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Obsessed said:
State level only. No need for the Feds to be involved.
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I think there should be some federal regulations and oversight. Canton NC paper mill comes to mind. Dumping tons of toxins in the Little pigeon river. NC wasn't going to do anything about it as it ends up in TN.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think there should be some federal regulations and oversight. Canton NC paper mill comes to mind. Dumping tons of toxins in the Little pigeon river. NC wasn't going to do anything about it as it ends up in TN.
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My idea is to require environmental insurance on companies like this before they can operate. Insurance company pays for damage and remediation if company pollutes. Guaranteed the insurance inspections would be more numerous and rigorous than anything the government does
 
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McDad said:
Buddy of mine heats his house with one of those high effeciency wood burners. No idea if it's connected to a boiler.
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Boilers are nice because the mess stays outside. They look like little metal utility buildings. You fill them up once every couple of days and they heat water that's transfered through tubing underground. The hot water runs through a coil that your regular furnace fan blows over. You can even preheat your water before it goes in the water heater.
 
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Here's the thing. Renewable tech will win in the medium term (if it isn't winning already in various areas). If green sources, and not just solar and wind, but crazier stuff such as fusion keep going the way they are they'll beat gas and oil hands down. In many ways the tech is already mostly there, but infrastructure still has some ways to go. The thing with this tech is that once you go over the infrastructure hump, the variable costs are very close to zero, once you've recovered your investment you can keep pushing your gains to create more green plants, which results in exponential growth.

Green energy sources will win, which is bad for Exxon and such, because this will lower the demand for oil and gas greatly. The solution is obvious: grow into the markets that will replace you, so that you keep that money. The thing is that this investment costs money.

Exxon wants the US to stay in the Paris deal because that way they can use that sweet government money to grow into green tech. Public risk, private gains as usual.

Now that the US is out of it, the rest of the world will keep investing. China, Europe, etc. will invest public money into companies and they will get better tech and out-compete US companies. This is bad for the US.

A great example of how this could end for the US is many of the coal states. Montana could produce huge amounts of wind and solar power, and they are building it privately. The thing is that govt is investing and sacrificing everything to try to keep coal alive. The joke is that coal is mostly dead, it wasn't killed but died of natural causes: technology obsolesce.

The sad thing is that Montana could recover and become a huge powerhouse by investing on green energy tech and becoming leader in this area. It probably will be beaten by states like California and will end up having to pay some of their gains on the energy they produce for others to the coastal states. The same pattern will repeat on the US.
 
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McDad said:
My idea is to require environmental insurance on companies like this before they can operate. Insurance company pays for damage and remediation if company pollutes. Guaranteed the insurance inspections would be more numerous and rigorous than anything the government does
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Nothing a bad idea.
 
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luthervol said:
I think we have probably already had this debate but my memory is as bad as Trumps.

Do you believe there is ever a need for environmental regulation?
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Yes

But the regulations should be fair

Storm water runoff

Wood stove emissions

No trapping of rainwater

Just some of the insane environmental regulations out there
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Boilers are nice because the mess stays outside. They look like little metal utility buildings. You fill them up once every couple of days and they heat water that's transfered through tubing underground. The hot water runs through a coil that your regular furnace fan blows over. You can even preheat your water before it goes in the water heater.
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Ok, yeah. We toyed with the idea of checking into that when LP skyrocketed. Feeding it every 12 hours on bitterly cold days disuaded me.
 
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