Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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InVOLuntary said:
I'm the same way. I do everything myself. Been going back and forth on buying a wood fired boiler to heat the house. I was genuinely curious if anyone purchases the green energy that is usually an option on your power bill.
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Well dang it.
I've been deferring to you on the heating and cooling options? Lol.
But you have my interest. If I leave this thread and you learn anything, please report in my heat pump thread.
 
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OrangeDonkey said:
Here's the thing. Renewable tech will win in the medium term (if it isn't winning already in various areas). If green sources, and not just solar and wind, but crazier stuff such as fusion keep going the way they are they'll beat gas and oil hands down. In many ways the tech is already mostly there, but infrastructure still has some ways to go. The thing with this tech is that once you go over the infrastructure hump, the variable costs are very close to zero, once you've recovered your investment you can keep pushing your gains to create more green plants, which results in exponential growth.

Green energy sources will win, which is bad for Exxon and such, because this will lower the demand for oil and gas greatly. The solution is obvious: grow into the markets that will replace you, so that you keep that money. The thing is that this investment costs money.

Exxon wants the US to stay in the Paris deal because that way they can use that sweet government money to grow into green tech. Public risk, private gains as usual.

Now that the US is out of it, the rest of the world will keep investing. China, Europe, etc. will invest public money into companies and they will get better tech and out-compete US companies. This is bad for the US.

A great example of how this could end for the US is many of the coal states. Montana could produce huge amounts of wind and solar power, and they are building it privately. The thing is that govt is investing and sacrificing everything to try to keep coal alive. The joke is that coal is mostly dead, it wasn't killed but died of natural causes: technology obsolesce.

The sad thing is that Montana could recover and become a huge powerhouse by investing on green energy tech and becoming leader in this area. It probably will be beaten by states like California and will end up having to pay some of their gains on the energy they produce for others to the coastal states. The same pattern will repeat on the US.
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This is the best post on this topic by far... and not the least bit political in nature. Thanks for posting.
 
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chargervol said:
Well dang it.
I've been deferring to you on the heating and cooling options? Lol.
But you have my interest. If I leave this thread and you learn anything, please report in my heat pump thread.
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I've researched many, many types and have used a few. In my business we have to be energy efficient with our end product because we have a limited supply of electricity. My dream is to retire on a piece of property totally off the grid.

Where is your heatpump thread?
 
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OrangeDonkey said:
Here's the thing. Renewable tech will win in the medium term (if it isn't winning already in various areas). If green sources, and not just solar and wind, but crazier stuff such as fusion keep going the way they are they'll beat gas and oil hands down. In many ways the tech is already mostly there, but infrastructure still has some ways to go. The thing with this tech is that once you go over the infrastructure hump, the variable costs are very close to zero, once you've recovered your investment you can keep pushing your gains to create more green plants, which results in exponential growth.

Green energy sources will win, which is bad for Exxon and such, because this will lower the demand for oil and gas greatly. The solution is obvious: grow into the markets that will replace you, so that you keep that money. The thing is that this investment costs money.

Exxon wants the US to stay in the Paris deal because that way they can use that sweet government money to grow into green tech. Public risk, private gains as usual.

Now that the US is out of it, the rest of the world will keep investing. China, Europe, etc. will invest public money into companies and they will get better tech and out-compete US companies. This is bad for the US.

A great example of how this could end for the US is many of the coal states. Montana could produce huge amounts of wind and solar power, and they are building it privately. The thing is that govt is investing and sacrificing everything to try to keep coal alive. The joke is that coal is mostly dead, it wasn't killed but died of natural causes: technology obsolesce.

The sad thing is that Montana could recover and become a huge powerhouse by investing on green energy tech and becoming leader in this area. It probably will be beaten by states like California and will end up having to pay some of their gains on the energy they produce for others to the coastal states. The same pattern will repeat on the US.
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When "Green" energy becomes a legitimate player in the energy field, aka the technology has increased to make it so, people will flock to that. It won't destroy the petroleum industry though. What do you think roads are made out of? Or this keyboard I'm typing on? :good!:

When the day comes that a solar panel can keep my house at 78 degrees the entire summer here in Florida while running my pool 8 hours a day and letting me run other appliances no sweat, I'll make the switch. The Tesla home battery has some promise.

Solar and fusion are the way to go. Turbines scar the natural landscape and murder birds so thats a bad thing right?
 
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Btw..the Paris accord was NON BINDING. So, like the equal pay for women Act obama signed, it was literally meaningless with zero enforcement mechanisms in place.. In other words, it was publicity fluff. "Yay! I signed this environmental agreement that is meaningless and my dumb ass sheeple supporters will eat this up and love me! Lyndon Johnson was right!"

So..keep getting upset about something that literally meant nothing. Trump feeds off your fear.
 
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Good job Trumpsters. Letting Germany and China become leaders of the free world. We'll be left in the dust as they profit from billions and billions (extra Trump) of dollars from "green" fuels like ethanol
 
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You fat French-fry eating Americans will pump deadly gas into the air while the French are "Making the Planet Great Again". Take that!
 
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golfballs said:
Good job Trumpsters. Letting Germany and China become leaders of the free world. We'll be left in the dust as they profit from billions and billions (extra Trump) of dollars from "green" fuels like ethanol
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Wanna know what is funny? Solar panels can't provide the energy required to mass produce solar panels...but coal can :eek:lol:
 
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Due to this calamitous event, Macron has invited all American scientists to move to France where they can figure out how to keep American coal from killing our planet. The only challenge will be to keep from dying in a suicide attack in the meantime.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Btw..the Paris accord was NON BINDING. So, like the equal pay for women Act obama signed, it was literally meaningless with zero enforcement mechanisms in place.. In other words, it was publicity fluff. "Yay! I signed this environmental agreement that is meaningless and my dumb ass sheeple supporters will eat this up and love me! Lyndon Johnson was right!"

So..keep getting upset about something that literally meant nothing. Trump feeds off your fear.
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:good!: Winner of POST of the DAY.
 
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CountVolcula said:
Yes

But the regulations should be fair

Storm water runoff

Wood stove emissions

No trapping of rainwater

Just some of the insane environmental regulations out there
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It may have changed cause I haven't followed it, but it was illegal to catch rainwater here in Georgia.
 
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golfballs said:
Good job Trumpsters. Letting Germany and China become leaders of the free world. We'll be left in the dust as they profit from billions and billions (extra Trump) of dollars from "green" fuels like ethanol
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People are starving while we use corn for fuel

Yay, we saved the planet
 
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You know what killed the coal industry?

Cheap fracking gas (which Trump loves). A coal mine requires hundreds of workers while a gas well head requires a couple guys monitoring and performing maintenance. Gas is cheap and there's tons of it so you won't see Exxon or any other energy companies maintain or build new coal burning plants. It's dying out simply because it is not competitive.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
When "Green" energy becomes a legitimate player in the energy field, aka the technology has increased to make it so, people will flock to that. It won't destroy the petroleum industry though. What do you think roads are made out of? Or this keyboard I'm typing on? :good!:

When the day comes that a solar panel can keep my house at 78 degrees the entire summer here in Florida while running my pool 8 hours a day and letting me run other appliances no sweat, I'll make the switch. The Tesla home battery has some promise.

Solar and fusion are the way to go. Turbines scar the natural landscape and murder birds so thats a bad thing right?
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The long term longevity of petroleum will come from the fact it's used to manufacture plastics, not as an efficient energy source. Nuclear and Solar will win out in that regard, it's only a matter of time and research.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
The long term longevity of petroleum will come from the fact it's used to manufacture plastics, not as an efficient energy source. Nuclear and Solar will win out in that regard, it's only a matter of time and research.
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Maybe in 100 years.


There is more than enough petroleum to run our country for a 1,000 years. Quit being so dramatic.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
The long term longevity of petroleum will come from the fact it's used to manufacture plastics, not as an efficient energy source. Nuclear and Solar will win out in that regard, it's only a matter of time and research.
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Im all for Nuclear. Seems like those worried about Climate change are against Nuclear. Are attitudes changing?
 
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CountVolcula said:
I remember when I was growing up, Acid rain was going to kill the planet. We were all doomed. All the trees in the Smokies were going to die off by the year 2000

Al Gore was a nutcase then
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Oceans will overtake us soon, as well.

Funny thing, I've been going to the same beaches for 40 years and everything is still in the same place. Soil must be rising at the same rate as the oceans.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
The long term longevity of petroleum will come from the fact it's used to manufacture plastics, not as an efficient energy source. Nuclear and Solar will win out in that regard, it's only a matter of time and research.
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Nuclear would be great but enviro****s chimp out over it more than anything else
 
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