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#7,577
Grand Vol said:
This tells me it's not about the science.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3496376/trump-negotiate-paris-climate-european-countries-no/



No such thing as treaty provisions that cannot be renegotiated.
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there are 43 countries signed up right now. add in the US and that's 44. do you renegotiate every time one of those world leaders change? That's part of the problem with politics, constant negotiation, or even every 4 years, would doom a movement. Similar to the issue with NASA not being able to do anything cool because each Pres has a new strategy or idea. and this is 5 times the budget of NASA with a lot more hands in it.
 
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Septic said:
A vast majority did vote for Hillary. :thumbsup:

Who's crying? I take great pleasure in mocking trump and his grundle sniffers. It's all the more satisfying because people like you aren't bright enough to realize it.
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Negative. She received 48.2% of the popular vote.

The majority of voters wanted someone other than Clinton let alone your so-called vast majority.
 
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Septic said:
Sometimes you have to cut your losses. American exceptionalism has conditioned you to believe that everything is negotiable when it comes to what "we" can do.

Have you ever tried negotiating with a toddler?

Other countries and cultures have different value systems, they also have different thresholds for bulls#ittery.

You put the onus on them to "step up", donny was the one who turned his back (along with syria) - they are probably exasperated with his childish behavior. Hard to blame them, so is the VAST majority of America.
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Actually, they are world leaders in their own right as they represent some fairly powerful countries. I wasn't expecting them to "step up" but rather continue to hold the high ground in regards to Trump. It would have been easy to say in public even if they were lying about it. Yet, they chose to get into the mud with him.

Not a bright decision. It never ends well, especially with Trump.

Now he can point to this and say "they were never interested in working with us, just forcing us to comply and take our money." And you know what? Without any evidence to the contrary, he'll be right. France, Germany and Italy screwed up big time and wasted an opportunity to be the "deal makers." Instead, they became no better than Trump.
 
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TN Ribs said:
If you really need an answer to the question you posed then you aren't paying attention. The science is settled, if you choose to ignore the facts then you are simply blinded by your hyper-partisanship.

Trump has once again decided to not be a leader, meanwhile, the rest of the world is laughing at us for electing an imbecile.
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A couple of things. If the science is settled then you don't need to manipulate data to match the model. Something I take very seriously - I happened to spend a career instrumenting systems and collecting and analyzing data to diagnose problems in nuclear plants. You don't get to the bottom of things by assuming an answer and working backwards - ever.

If man is the problem (and it's obviously going to vary by person), then the problem is the growth in population - more people more generators of pollutants and waste heat either through simply being (eating, heating, cooling, etc) and by the consumption of anything requiring energy to produce. If you've studied thermodynamics, that covers pretty much anything humans need to survive. If the pope wishes to weigh in on things, then the Vatican needs to rethink contraception vs conquering the world through out-populating the competition.
 
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05_never_again said:
Yes.
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You're right, I had to look that up. Despite the size of the economy the per capita gdp is still lower than average.

Thank god for lack of labor protections in China and India! Need those "Low Prices, Everyday!"
 
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Septic said:
A vast majority did vote for Hillary. :thumbsup:

Who's crying? I take great pleasure in mocking trump and his grundle sniffers. It's all the more satisfying because people like you aren't bright enough to realize it.
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I don't think you know what that means. Hilary won the popular vote by 4 million? considering the voting population is 253 million that "vast" majority is 1.5% of the voting population.

if you look at the 128 million that actually voted that "vast" majority increases to a whopping 53.1% of the vote.

*yawn*
 
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tumscalcium said:
Negative. She received 48.2% of the popular vote.

The majority of voters wanted someone other than Clinton let alone your so-called vast majority.
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fair point. I was just adding the vastness of her win to 50% and not actually looking at the total number that voted for her.
 
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LouderVol said:
there are 43 countries signed up right now. add in the US and that's 44. do you renegotiate every time one of those world leaders change? That's part of the problem with politics, constant negotiation, or even every 4 years, would doom a movement. Similar to the issue with NASA not being able to do anything cool because each Pres has a new strategy or idea. and this is 5 times the budget of NASA with a lot more hands in it.
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The Treaty never passed the Senate as it is. And likely never would have under GOP leadership. Negotiating the terms with the new Administration could at least have given them ammo to go to Congress to push it through if it was fair. As a minimum, at least hear out the concerns and then give a firm "no." Maybe something got overlooked or wasn't "fair" to the US or maybe even other nations. Or the fact China got away with not having to do any significant decrease in CO2 until 2030. 13 years to pile up coal and burn if they wanted. A great many things about the Treaty that just weren't right. As another poster said, at least give it some teeth.

You don't come out of the starting blocks and punch your opponent in the face.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
It was a bad deal for us. O pretty much gave other nations license to put whatever they wanted on a piece of paper that he could sign and declare victory over global warming. We are not the problem. It's the developing nations, mostly China, India and SE Asia that are the problem. Go to Juarez some time if you want to see the problem first hand.
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In what way do you mean problem? Because the U.S. is 2nd in emissions only to China.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Negative. She received 48.2% of the popular vote.

The majority of voters wanted someone other than Clinton let alone your so-called vast majority.
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Maybe I can spell this out for you.

2,864,974 MORE American's voted for Clinton than they did Trump. A VAST, VAST number by any rational measure - she was unquestionably seen as a more favorable candidate over Trump by a VAST number of Americans.

Therefore, one could argue that she was VASTLY more popular that Trump.

Imma go grab me some lunch while you split more hairs and/or go into a diatribe about the electoral college.
 
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Septic said:
Maybe I can spell this out for you.

2,864,974 MORE American's voted for Clinton than they did Trump. A VAST, VAST number by any rational measure - she was unquestionably seen as a more favorable candidate over Trump by a VAST number of Americans.

Therefore, one could argue that she was VASTLY more popular that Trump.

Imma go grab me some lunch while you split more hairs and/or go into a diatribe about the electoral college.
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Grab some ex lax while youre at it.
 
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LouderVol said:
I don't think you know what that means. Hilary won the popular vote by 4 million? considering the voting population is 253 million that "vast" majority is 1.5% of the voting population.

if you look at the 128 million that actually voted that "vast" majority increases to a whopping 53.1% of the vote.

*yawn*
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Dude I've proven over the years that math (and reality) is not a strong suit for a lot of people on this board. You bring hard numbers to a facts fight..they bring intangible left wing buzzwords..
 
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golfballs said:
Its a joke about what a hypocrite DiCaprio and his fellow limousine liberals are
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You can put Al Gore & John Kerry in that bag of nut job hypocrites too. Those two peas in a pod are so filthy rich they could buy their own city to dictate to the residence about how to live to their wishes.
 
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Septic said:
Maybe I can spell this out for you.

2,864,974 MORE American's voted for Clinton than they did Trump. A VAST, VAST number by any rational measure - she was unquestionably seen as a more favorable candidate over Trump by a VAST number of Americans.

Therefore, one could argue that she was VASTLY more popular that Trump.

Imma go grab me some lunch while you split more hairs and/or go into a diatribe about the electoral college.
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More people voted for Clinton than Trump. No one has disputed this. The "Vast" (A real loose term you don't understand on a large scale) majority of Americans wanted someone other than Clinton. You have yet to understand or accept this. There isn't some overwhelming need to jerk off to Hillary every night.

Another thing you don't understand is the name of our country and what it means. We're a collection of states, that's where the electoral college comes in. Don't get all pissy with me because you don't understand it.
 
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Daily News: Trump tells the World to Drop Dead.

Oh, the horrors of it all. This agreement was non-binding & it meant nothing but more harsh rules & regulations for the American people.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
In what way do you mean problem? Because the U.S. is 2nd in emissions only to China.
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Doubtful considering both China and India each have a population over 1 billion larger than the US. But assuming it is true, the US is third in world population, and it is a developed country with a high standard of living; it stands to reason that the emissions are greater on a per person basis. Play with the numbers enough and you can get any result you want - statistics are putty in the hands of a zealot on a mission.
 
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