Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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The whole agreement seems more like a pat on the back to make some people feel really good about themselves "doing something" as opposed to anything that achieves measurable results.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Let me ask the screechers ones who oppose Trump pulling out of the Treaty something...

Do you honestly feel it was fair the US was going to have to start paying into the UN green climate fund to pay for other nation's climate change efforts? $100 billion into that program for "developing nations."

I've seen a lot of complaining about Trump adding money to the Defense budget and gnashing of teeth over cutting other budgets, but it's perfectly okay to give away said money into a UN lush fund?

That's the elephant in the room none of you want to talk about.
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Not only that, but the accords have no real teeth to enforce that the $100 billion actually is used by the nations eligible to get those US dollars toward environmentally sound projects.

While I really am for serious, enforcable through sanctions, legal agreements to attack environmental destruction worldwide, the Paris Accords are just pissing in the wind and one more way of fleecing the US taxpayer of money we don't have in the first place.

Renegotiate a balanced treaty with teeth.
 
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theFallGuy said:
So you scape-goated the question. Even if one is to conclude that the science is settled how is giving away $3 billion in tax payer funds going to "save the earth"? I'm asking you for specific facts on what this $3billion is going to do to stop climate change.
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:good!: Post of the Day.
 
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Hard to take these idiots seriously
[twitter]https://twitter.com/Markgsparrow/status/870650766696099844[/twitter]
 
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This tells me it's not about the science.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3496376/trump-negotiate-paris-climate-european-countries-no/

Italy, France and Germany said on Thursday they regretted U.S. President Donald Trump‘s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord and dismissed his suggestion that the global pact could be revised.

“We deem the momentum generated in Paris in December 2015 irreversible and we firmly believe that the Paris Agreement cannot be renegotiated, since it is a vital instrument for our planet, societies and economies,” the leaders of the three countries said in a joint statement.
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No such thing as treaty provisions that cannot be renegotiated.
 
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TN Ribs said:
If you really need an answer to the question you posed then you aren't paying attention. The science is settled, if you choose to ignore the facts then you are simply blinded by your hyper-partisanship.

Trump has once again decided to not be a leader, meanwhile, the rest of the world is laughing at us for electing an imbecile.
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C'mon, Ribs, just because he isn't leading in the direction you want, doesn't mean he isn't a leader in his own way.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VOo7-ctKU[/youtube]
 
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golfballs said:
Hard to take these idiots seriously
[twitter]https://twitter.com/Markgsparrow/status/870650766696099844[/twitter]
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I don't think you understand, all of us peons are supposed to do without things like cars and electricity in order to "Save the Erf"
 
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golfballs said:
Hard to take these idiots seriously
[twitter]https://twitter.com/Markgsparrow/status/870650766696099844[/twitter]
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Cool tweet, the outrage the author conveys is breath taking.

Wait. A. Second.

Looks like Washington D.C. has some new license plates unless... Could this be that fake news I've been hearing so much about?
 
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Septic said:
Really? 'Cause it appears as if that's the case.

Looks like they are content to make him sit at the kids table with syria while they move forward.
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Glass half empty much? Unwilling to negotiate means it's not about the science in the treaty. It's something else they are angry about and not saying. Which makes me wonder what.

It's very simple. France, Germany and Italy are now emulating the Democrats in Congress. Instead of saying "we'd be happy to take the leadership role in discussing what concerns the United States has and would welcome them back into our treaty if we can" they have gone straight out with a "Nein, No and Non."

It was easy for them to be the bigger person in this and actually assume that mantle of leadership some in the press seems to think they have. But they chose to lower themselves to the same level you put Trump on and stand resolute.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Glass half empty much? Unwilling to negotiate means it's not about the science in the treaty. It's something else they are angry about and not saying. Which makes me wonder what.

It's very simple. France, Germany and Italy are now emulating the Democrats in Congress. Instead of saying "we'd be happy to take the leadership role in discussing what concerns the United States has and would welcome them back into our treaty if we can" they have gone straight out with a "Nein, No and Non."

It was easy for them to be the bigger person in this and actually assume that mantle of leadership some in the press seems to think they have. But they chose to lower themselves to the same level you put Trump on and stand resolute.
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Sometimes you have to cut your losses. American exceptionalism has conditioned you to believe that everything is negotiable when it comes to what "we" can do.

Have you ever tried negotiating with a toddler?

Other countries and cultures have different value systems, they also have different thresholds for bulls#ittery.

You put the onus on them to "step up", donny was the one who turned his back (along with syria) - they are probably exasperated with his childish behavior. Hard to blame them, so is the VAST majority of America.
 
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It was a bad deal for us. O pretty much gave other nations license to put whatever they wanted on a piece of paper that he could sign and declare victory over global warming. We are not the problem. It's the developing nations, mostly China, India and SE Asia that are the problem. Go to Juarez some time if you want to see the problem first hand.
 
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Septic said:
Sometimes you have to cut your losses. American exceptionalism has conditioned you to believe that everything is negotiable when it comes to what "we" can do.

Have you ever tried negotiating with a toddler?

Other countries and cultures have different value systems, they also have different thresholds for bulls#ittery.

You put the onus on them to "step up", donny was the one who turned his back (along with syria) - they are probably exasperated with his childish behavior. Hard to blame them, so is the VAST majority of America.
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That same VAST majority that voted for Hillary? Your cries are like sweet, sweet honey. Mmmmm...good.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Speaking of plastics.

An ocean gyre is where the waters form a huge slow vortex. These cover much of the central areas of seas and oceans.

..."The North Pacific sub-tropical gyre covers a large area of the Pacific in which the water circulates clockwise in a slow spiral. Winds are light. The currents tend to force any floating material into the low energy central area of the gyre. There are few islands on which the floating material can beach. So it stays there in the gyre, in astounding quantities estimated at six kilos of plastic for every kilo of naturally occurring plankton. The equivalent of an area the size of Texas swirling slowly around like a clock.* A graphic of the prevailing oceanic currents that leads to the vortices of plastic (indicated by yellow dots)."...
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this is what bothers me. surely both sides can admit that trashing (literally covering the earth with our trash) is a bad idea. yet the so called green party never makes it a talking point, and the conservatives ignore it as well as everything else.
 
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Septic said:
Cool tweet, the outrage the author conveys is breath taking.

Wait. A. Second.

Looks like Washington D.C. has some new license plates unless... Could this be that fake news I've been hearing so much about?
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It is tongue-in-cheek
 
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theFallGuy said:
I would contend that even if everyone agrees climate change is real and that we are all going to die, no amount of tax payer funds is going to stop it. Unless you plan on banning every single type of energy used which is impossible.

Global Warming Is Irreversible, Study Says
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If we continue with business as usual for even a few more decades, she says, those emissions could be enough to create permanent dust-bowl conditions in the U.S. Southwest and around the Mediterranean.
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article never says we should stop the fight.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
That same VAST majority that voted for Hillary? Your cries are like sweet, sweet honey. Mmmmm...good.
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A vast majority did vote for Hillary. :thumbsup:

Who's crying? I take great pleasure in mocking trump and his grundle sniffers. It's all the more satisfying because people like you aren't bright enough to realize it.
 
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