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Absurd.

Science is never settled. Such a ludicrous concept would defeat the whole purpose and methodology of science. Such a concept is piss-poor pseudoscience masquerading as valid philosophy of science.

You are wrong. A very lot of science, especially the physical, or hard sciences, is settled. Chemistry, physics, etc. Absolutely.

And the tenants and laws of those sciences are what the environmental sciences are based on.

If,then, you want to say, "The environmental sciences are not settled science". I'd have to say that a whole lot of it really is. You know, stuff chemistry and biology tell us toxic **** put where folk get it in their body, or destroys eco-systems of flora/fauna...pretty much settled.

Climate science? Getting better and better with each passing year.
 
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At various times science settled that the earth was flat, the sun rotated around us, gold could be made from lead, morphine was an ok thing to give children for a cough, etc.

Not settled.

Solid theories =/= settled.

The methodology of science is to continue to try to falsify their theories. It never confirms theories. Shout-out to Popper.
 
The confusion with climate change occurs when discussing repercussions. Most people acknowledge humanity has an impact on the environment but feel the doom and gloom fear mongering that many perpetuate is the hoax.

If you grew up in the 80's you heard all about global warming and the hole in the ozone layer. Hell, some movies even tapped in to the fear campaign. Highlander 2 was all about the ozone layer disappearing and the earth being f'ed. I think they said by 2000 it was supposed to be gone. Riding the coattails of enviro fear campaigns to make a buck. Climate fear mongers have been pulling these shenanigans for decades.

In the 60's, 70. and early 80's the next ice age was going to happen by 2020.

By 2000 billions were to have starved to death because of worldwide famine caused by green house gases.

The 80's saw global warming become a thing and it went into the 90's yet there was never any real evidence to support those theories.

In the 90's the US was supposed to suffer catastrophic drought and crop failure resulting in widespread "food riots" according to some nutters.

In the early 2000's climate nuts were claiming in 20 years there wouldn't be anymore snow..the polar ice caps are supposed to already have melted and decimated coastal regions.

NYC is supposed to be under water.

Disney World is not supposed to exist anymore.

Hurricanes were supposed to go crazy (Florida hadn't had one in almost 11 years until last October).

Widespread drought (lowest levels in decades) in the US..

So since the 60's it has gone like this Nice Ice age! Wrong. Global Warming which leads to famine, drought, melting ice caps, no more snow, rising seas! Wrong Climate Change because its so ambiguous of a term we can apply it to literally anything we want to incite fear!

Honestly I can't think of one thing climate nutters have claimed that ever has been proven correct beyond a shadow of a doubt. 50 years of fear mongering and no end in site even as prediction after prediction comes up empty. I wonder if they use some sort of Aztec end of the world climate calendar?

Oh, and the climate nutters who predicated the above? The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)..the UN group who wants to control the worlds climate decisions. They or their members made every statement I mentioned above at some point in time.
 
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At various times science settled that the earth was flat, the sun rotated around us, gold could be made from lead, morphine was an ok thing to give children for a cough, etc.
Now they are saying it's healthy for kids to eat boogers. Liberals should be happy if that goes mainstream with the rest of their beliefs.
 
At various times science settled that the earth was flat, the sun rotated around us, gold could be made from lead, morphine was an ok thing to give children for a cough, etc.

off topic fun fact for anyone who has played drums..Zjildjian is not only the oldest company in the USA (they make cymbals) they were the creation of a Turkish alchemist trying to do, well, alchemy.
 
Scientists---let me repeat that word, scientists---tell us that global warming is a problem, and yet we have here southerners who like to balance Pabst beer cans on their bellies who want to pretend that they know more than scientists. That's rich. This is pretty much what we get from conservatives, isn't it? Actually, we get it from Republicans and energy industry toadies like Scott Pruitt--people who don't want the energy industry to spend more to reduce pollutants. The U.S. is the second largest emitter of carbon in the world. We have GOP politicians and fools with no scientific background or knowledge who have their temerity to challenge scientific conclusions. I am not a scientist, and so I personally wouldn't want to stand in front of microphone and proclaim that Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Newton's Law of Gravity to be false, because I know that doing so would make me look stupid and perhaps even sinister--someone who wishes to defy the obvious and confuse people unnecessarily with fraudulent claims. But conservatives and GOP politicians seem to have no problem doing this. Sad. Pathetic.

We went through the same thing with cigarette smoking and cancer, didn't we. Tobacco companies spent 30 years lying about smoking--no, it's FINE to smoke, it is completely safe--so that goobers would keep on buying their cigarettes. We had health experts trying to tell everyone that smoking was dangerous--but the tobacco industry lied to protect it profits for decades, and people chose to believe the tobacco industry. This is no different. Industry doesn't want to change, doesn't want to spend money--even though we're talking about hugely profitable industries--and, worse, they spend millions spewing disinformation to the public--propaganda that gets parroted by no-integrity Republicans who are always in the pocket of industry--and then their fraudulent nonsense gets parroted by red staters that we hear on this board and throughout flyover American. Only these days it's worse than when tobacco and smoking was the issue because now we have a nationwide network of right-wing radio--crazy talk radio--that thrives on spreading nonsense. Benghazi--the fake scandal that got talked about for years as if Clinton was to blame for an attack on a diplomatic office in Libya. The polar ice caps are melting--there are plenty of photographs to document it, along with other research and findings--but all the goobers want to pretend that what is staring them in the face is not real. Sad. That's why a lot of rural folk--bringing this full circle--still smoke!
 
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I didn't read that wall of text that was the last post before I made this one, but I'll put my two cents worth in this discussion.
Trump didn't do anything that he shouldn't have done. This was a bad deal for the US and India and China didn't have to do anything for over a decade to curb their emissions. It was a transfer of money from us to other countries.
We are doing our part already, China looks like 1930's Pittsburgh compared to our current air quality.
If the liberals want to fix climate change, I suggest that they themselves do it since they live in the major pollution centers of the country.
 
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Scientists---let me repeat that word, scientists---tell us that global warming is a problem, and yet we have here southerners who like to balance Pabst beer cans on their bellies who want to pretend that they know more than scientists. That's rich. This is pretty much what we get from conservatives, isn't it? Actually, we get it from Republicans and energy industry toadies like Scott Pruitt--people who don't want the energy industry to spend more to reduce pollutants. The U.S. is the second largest emitter of carbon in the world. We have GOP politicians and fools with no scientific background or knowledge who have their temerity to challenge scientific conclusions. I am not a scientist, and so I personally wouldn't want to stand in front of microphone and proclaim that Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Newton's Law of Gravity to be false, because I know that doing so would make me look stupid and perhaps even sinister--someone who wishes to defy the obvious and confuse people unnecessarily with fraudulent claims. But conservatives and GOP politicians seem to have no problem doing this. Sad. Pathetic.

We went through the same thing with cigarette smoking and cancer, didn't we. Tobacco companies spent 30 years lying about smoking--no, it's FINE to smoke, it is completely safe--so that goobers would keep on buying their cigarettes. We had health experts trying to tell everyone that smoking was dangerous--but the tobacco industry lied to protect it profits for decades, and people chose to believe the tobacco industry. This is no different. Industry doesn't want to change, doesn't want to spend money--even though we're talking about hugely profitable industries--and, worse, they spend millions spewing disinformation to the public--propaganda that gets parroted by no-integrity Republicans who are always in the pocket of industry--and then their fraudulent nonsense gets parroted by red staters that we hear on this board and throughout flyover American. Only these days it's worse than when tobacco and smoking was the issue because now we have a nationwide network of right-wing radio--crazy talk radio--that thrives on spreading nonsense. Benghazi--the fake scandal that got talked about for years as if Clinton was to blame for an attack on a diplomatic office in Libya. The polar ice caps are melting--there are plenty of photographs to document it, along with other research and findings--but all the goobers want to pretend that what is staring them in the face is not real. Sad. That's why a lot of rural folk--bringing this full circle--still smoke!

I'm a scientist I repeat scientist, and I say it's not.
 
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You are wrong. A very lot of science, especially the physical, or hard sciences, is settled. Chemistry, physics, etc. Absolutely.

And the tenants and laws of those sciences are what the environmental sciences are based on.

If,then, you want to say, "The environmental sciences are not settled science". I'd have to say that a whole lot of it really is. You know, stuff chemistry and biology tell us toxic **** put where folk get it in their body, or destroys eco-systems of flora/fauna...pretty much settled.

Climate science? Getting better and better with each passing year.

Physics is settled? That's news to me. I was under the impression that physicists were desperately trying to unify Einsteinian physics and QM, despite both theories being some of the most successful theories mankind has deduced. Quantum gravity has revealed that our understanding, despite being very successful theories, is fundamentally wrong.

In other disciplines, the advent of more power tools of observation and crossapplication of various disciplines reveal flaws in theories we previously didn't understand.
 
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Scientists---let me repeat that word, scientists---tell us that global warming is a problem, and yet we have here southerners who like to balance Pabst beer cans on their bellies who want to pretend that they know more than scientists. That's rich. This is pretty much what we get from conservatives, isn't it? Actually, we get it from Republicans and energy industry toadies like Scott Pruitt--people who don't want the energy industry to spend more to reduce pollutants. The U.S. is the second largest emitter of carbon in the world. We have GOP politicians and fools with no scientific background or knowledge who have their temerity to challenge scientific conclusions. I am not a scientist, and so I personally wouldn't want to stand in front of microphone and proclaim that Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Newton's Law of Gravity to be false, because I know that doing so would make me look stupid and perhaps even sinister--someone who wishes to defy the obvious and confuse people unnecessarily with fraudulent claims. But conservatives and GOP politicians seem to have no problem doing this. Sad. Pathetic.

We went through the same thing with cigarette smoking and cancer, didn't we. Tobacco companies spent 30 years lying about smoking--no, it's FINE to smoke, it is completely safe--so that goobers would keep on buying their cigarettes. We had health experts trying to tell everyone that smoking was dangerous--but the tobacco industry lied to protect it profits for decades, and people chose to believe the tobacco industry. This is no different. Industry doesn't want to change, doesn't want to spend money--even though we're talking about hugely profitable industries--and, worse, they spend millions spewing disinformation to the public--propaganda that gets parroted by no-integrity Republicans who are always in the pocket of industry--and then their fraudulent nonsense gets parroted by red staters that we hear on this board and throughout flyover American. Only these days it's worse than when tobacco and smoking was the issue because now we have a nationwide network of right-wing radio--crazy talk radio--that thrives on spreading nonsense. Benghazi--the fake scandal that got talked about for years as if Clinton was to blame for an attack on a diplomatic office in Libya. The polar ice caps are melting--there are plenty of photographs to document it, along with other research and findings--but all the goobers want to pretend that what is staring them in the face is not real. Sad. That's why a lot of rural folk--bringing this full circle--still smoke!

The ironic thing about the bold is that it wouldn't make you look stupid or sinister because both are in fact flawed despite being successful.

Being stupid or sinister would be to put forth an alternative theory which isn't nearly as successful as either Newtonian or Einsteinian physics, or address the flaws in their respective theories, and declare it a superior theory.
 
I didn't read that wall of text that was the last post before I made this one, but I'll put my two cents worth in this discussion.
Trump didn't do anything that he shouldn't have done. This was a bad deal for the US and India and China didn't have to do anything for over a decade to curb their emissions. It was a transfer of money from us to other countries.
We are doing our part already, China looks like 1930's Pittsburgh compared to our current air quality.
If the liberals want to fix climate change, I suggest that they themselves do it since they live in the major pollution centers of the country.

Like I said in an earlier post, urban areas are polluted because of the concentrated population in comparison to rural areas. But because urban areas are concentrated which leads to obvious pollution, that doesn't mean that the accumulation of rural pollution in this country are any less prevalent. If anything liberal urban areas would probably produce less pollution due to walkability and public transportation of urban areas.
 
The ironic thing about the bold is that it wouldn't make you look stupid or sinister because both are in fact flawed despite being successful.

Being stupid or sinister would be to put forth an alternative theory which isn't nearly as successful as either Newtonian or Einsteinian physics, or address the flaws in their respective theories, and declare it a superior theory.

PKT: The Logic Police
 
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PKT, your hatred toward absolutes aside, would you say that there is more evidence supporting human influence on climate change than there are against human influence?
 
I bet all those ancient civilizations in the Sahara were pissed at all the man-made global warming ruining their lush environment
 
Same people that fret over global warming made plans to exit during the passing of Hale-Bopp, Y2K, and the end of the Mayan Calendar

^ This all day. Acknowledging its an issue is one thing..but thinking its the most pressing issue and be all end all of problems we face is just and the mass hysteria that the left is drumming up with ludicrous fear mongering is just..well..

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Scientists---let me repeat that word, scientists---tell us that global warming is a problem, and yet we have here southerners who like to balance Pabst beer cans on their bellies who want to pretend that they know more than scientists. That's rich. This is pretty much what we get from conservatives, isn't it? Actually, we get it from Republicans and energy industry toadies like Scott Pruitt--people who don't want the energy industry to spend more to reduce pollutants. The U.S. is the second largest emitter of carbon in the world. We have GOP politicians and fools with no scientific background or knowledge who have their temerity to challenge scientific conclusions. I am not a scientist, and so I personally wouldn't want to stand in front of microphone and proclaim that Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Newton's Law of Gravity to be false, because I know that doing so would make me look stupid and perhaps even sinister--someone who wishes to defy the obvious and confuse people unnecessarily with fraudulent claims. But conservatives and GOP politicians seem to have no problem doing this. Sad. Pathetic.

We went through the same thing with cigarette smoking and cancer, didn't we. Tobacco companies spent 30 years lying about smoking--no, it's FINE to smoke, it is completely safe--so that goobers would keep on buying their cigarettes. We had health experts trying to tell everyone that smoking was dangerous--but the tobacco industry lied to protect it profits for decades, and people chose to believe the tobacco industry. This is no different. Industry doesn't want to change, doesn't want to spend money--even though we're talking about hugely profitable industries--and, worse, they spend millions spewing disinformation to the public--propaganda that gets parroted by no-integrity Republicans who are always in the pocket of industry--and then their fraudulent nonsense gets parroted by red staters that we hear on this board and throughout flyover American. Only these days it's worse than when tobacco and smoking was the issue because now we have a nationwide network of right-wing radio--crazy talk radio--that thrives on spreading nonsense. Benghazi--the fake scandal that got talked about for years as if Clinton was to blame for an attack on a diplomatic office in Libya. The polar ice caps are melting--there are plenty of photographs to document it, along with other research and findings--but all the goobers want to pretend that what is staring them in the face is not real. Sad. That's why a lot of rural folk--bringing this full circle--still smoke!

What brought the earth into and out of the numerous ice ages?
 
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Scientists---let me repeat that word, scientists---tell us that global warming is a problem, and yet we have here southerners who like to balance Pabst beer cans on their bellies who want to pretend that they know more than scientists. That's rich. This is pretty much what we get from conservatives, isn't it? Actually, we get it from Republicans and energy industry toadies like Scott Pruitt--people who don't want the energy industry to spend more to reduce pollutants. The U.S. is the second largest emitter of carbon in the world. We have GOP politicians and fools with no scientific background or knowledge who have their temerity to challenge scientific conclusions. I am not a scientist, and so I personally wouldn't want to stand in front of microphone and proclaim that Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Newton's Law of Gravity to be false, because I know that doing so would make me look stupid and perhaps even sinister--someone who wishes to defy the obvious and confuse people unnecessarily with fraudulent claims. But conservatives and GOP politicians seem to have no problem doing this. Sad. Pathetic.

We went through the same thing with cigarette smoking and cancer, didn't we. Tobacco companies spent 30 years lying about smoking--no, it's FINE to smoke, it is completely safe--so that goobers would keep on buying their cigarettes. We had health experts trying to tell everyone that smoking was dangerous--but the tobacco industry lied to protect it profits for decades, and people chose to believe the tobacco industry. This is no different. Industry doesn't want to change, doesn't want to spend money--even though we're talking about hugely profitable industries--and, worse, they spend millions spewing disinformation to the public--propaganda that gets parroted by no-integrity Republicans who are always in the pocket of industry--and then their fraudulent nonsense gets parroted by red staters that we hear on this board and throughout flyover American. Only these days it's worse than when tobacco and smoking was the issue because now we have a nationwide network of right-wing radio--crazy talk radio--that thrives on spreading nonsense. Benghazi--the fake scandal that got talked about for years as if Clinton was to blame for an attack on a diplomatic office in Libya. The polar ice caps are melting--there are plenty of photographs to document it, along with other research and findings--but all the goobers want to pretend that what is staring them in the face is not real. Sad. That's why a lot of rural folk--bringing this full circle--still smoke!

These same scientists also said, let me repeat, these same scientists ALSO said:

Ice age by 2020
Widespread famine and food riots by 1995
Ozone layer gone
NYC underwater
Relentless hurricanes
Midwest decimated by drought
Antartica gone by now
Polar ice caps melted by now


But I guess you enjoy eating the BS sandwiches they keep feeding you.


Oh...and when did every state become filled with "southerners"?
 
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