Official GOP Convention thread

#126
#126
volinbham said:
The bottom line is that he was a relative unknown with very limited resources. The party didn't screw him - he just wasn't sufficiently resourced to compete.
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...and he didn't seem particularly memorable at any of the few shots he got on the national stage.

Herman Cain, of all people, said it best yesterday in a radio interview. He jokingly said some thong to the effect of . . . I sympathize with my libertarian friends who I agree with on about 75% of the issues . . . but it's just not in a Libertarian's DNA to be happy or satisfied, so don't act like we ever had a chance.
 
#127
#127
volinbham said:
You are pretty much opposite the media pundit take - most gave Ann Romney rave reviews but not so much for Christie.

I didn't see either (though I DVR'd them) so I can't comment.
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I caught about 5 minutes of hers so twiw, I thought she was fine. Didn't hurt, didn't help. Substance was good but she was not natural in delivery I didn't think. Pauses awkward. Demeanor generally contrived.

Honestly, she reminded me of her husband.
 
#128
#128
lawgator1 said:
I caught about 5 minutes of hers so twiw, I thought she was fine. Didn't hurt, didn't help. Substance was good but she was not natural in delivery I didn't think. Pauses awkward. Demeanor generally contrived.

Honestly, she reminded me of her husband.
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It was the first time she had ever done anything likethat. She was obviously nervous as hell.

Never have figured out why we need to hear from everyone's wife the past 10 years or so.
 
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GAVol said:
...and he didn't seem particularly memorable at any of the few shots he got on the national stage.

Herman Cain, of all people, said it best yesterday in a radio interview. He jokingly said some thong to the effect of . . . I sympathize with my libertarian friends who I agree with on about 75% of the issues . . . but it's just not in a Libertarian's DNA to be happy or satisfied, so don't act like we ever had a chance.
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Yeah, except for maybe the most memorable line of any of the dozen or so debates: “My next-door neighbor’s two dogs have created more shovel-ready jobs than this current administration.”
 
#130
#130
GAVol said:
It was the first time she had ever done anything likethat. She was obviously nervous as hell.

Never have figured out why we need to hear from everyone's wife the past 10 years or so.
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Agree on all fronts. I am not being critical of her at all. Just unnatural in delivery. I expected a little better because of the buildup by the GOP folks over the last week but, meh, was ok. Nothing negative, certainly. And I didn't see but a little bit of it, might have been better elsewhere.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I think he was invited to just 1 debate, so he didn't get a fair shake.

Aside from RP, the guy is the only fiscally responsible candidate. He's wildly popular and won re-election in a state that is 2:1 democratic. He actually has the balls to make necessary cuts, and he's still popular? This guy should be a Republican's wet dream, and the GOP decision makers put him on the back burner. The party ain't changing.
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Part of me wonders if you have to be a part of the Ivy league alumni to get the media/power backing that seems to carry these things.
 
#132
#132
n_huffhines said:
Yeah, except for maybe the most memorable line of any of the dozen or so debates: “My next-door neighbor’s two dogs have created more shovel-ready jobs than this current administration.”
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Ok. He squeezed off a one liner. Other than that, no traction.

I like the guy, but he just didnt have money or exposure
 
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#133
Weezy said:
Part of me wonders if you have to be a part of the Ivy league alumni to get the media/power backing that seems to carry these things.
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My answer to that would be Bill Clinton. He came from nowhere.
 
#134
#134
How do you get exposure when the media and your party ignores you? Herman Cain had deep pockets, and Bachmann had money too, but they tend to spend it after they gain traction from the media and the party. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
 
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#138
n_huffhines said:
Bachmann, Cain, Huntsman, and Santorum weren't widely known until they appeared on the debate stage either. Their buzz was manufactured because they were favored. My opinion anyways.
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GAVol got to most of my points before me so I'll just add a few more.

It's a bit odd to hear Libertarians (the party of individual responsibility) blame their outcome on "the system" or "the party" or any other amorphous entity. How hard did Johnson work to overcome his lack of awareness, his money shortfalls, his lack of ground game? When did he start? How good of an organization did he have? Most importantly, why should he not "build it" and instead expect it to be "given" to him?

I'll also say that the R platform is probably more Libertarian friendly then I've ever seen it (my life time). Reagan was close but he was also a huge military and impose the will of the US on the world guy. The current platform is heavily fiscally focused and entitlement reform focused. Not enough for some but relatively speaking more than it has been. There's not a ton of social issue stuff being emphasized and relatively little (compared to the past) emphasis on military world intervention.

No need to affiliate with a party you don't agree with but it sounds like sour grapes to say one's candidate got screwed and somehow the party has left them behind.
 
#141
#141
n_huffhines said:
@ bham - Again, Gary Johnson was excluded from polls that determined debate eligibility.
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what polls? for R nom or for POTUS debates?

to the bigger point - what did he do to overcome these obstacles. Again, the "victim card" and Libertarianism are not a pretty combination. He surely knew or should have known what it takes to make it into the upper level. It smacks of the "it's not fair" argument that should be anathema to Libertarians.

Look I like the guy, would have whole-heartedly supported him and may still vote for him but claiming he's not the nominee because the Republican party screwed him just doesn't hold water.
 
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volinbham said:
what polls? for R nom or for POTUS debates?

to the bigger point - what did he do to overcome these obstacles. Again, the "victim card" and Libertarianism are not a pretty combination. He surely knew or should have known what it takes to make it into the upper level. It smacks of the "it's not fair" argument that should be anathema to Libertarians.

Look I like the guy, would have whole-heartedly supported him and may still vote for him but claiming he's not the nominee because the Republican party screwed him just doesn't hold water.
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the same can also be said for Ron Paul

we keep getting told how widespread his support is, but when that support didn't translate into primary wins, supporters channeled their inner-Alex Jones and cried "conspiracy!"
 
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#146
You know whats sad? The democrats should probably use things like the Ron Paul delegate debacle and try to place themselves firmly on the high ground at the DNC. That's strictly from a political standpoint mind you. I hope both of these ****bag parties burn
 
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#148
emainvol said:
You know whats sad? The democrats should probably use things like the Ron Paul delegate debacle and try to place themselves firmly on the high ground at the DNC. That's strictly from a political standpoint mind you. I hope both of these ****bag parties burn
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and the republicans can trumpet that the DNC made no accommodation for mothers at the convention site. Meaning no children would be allowed on the floor and no on-site childcare facilities would be provided.

which would get a bigger reaction?

Women’s group slams DNC for not providing child care | CharlotteObserver.com
 
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#149
volinbham said:
Elaborate - what's the connection?
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You have a bunch of self-righteous *******s waxing poetic about the magic of democracy, while they are quite literally attempting to silence the minority in their own party. The Dems could learn from this, even give face time to those who dissent within their own party, and come out looking like the real good guys. Of course, they will still be ****bags, but that's for the average voting idiot to sort out, and they are wholly incapable of that. Basically, you point at the other party and say "if this is how they handle dissent amongst there own, what road will they take this country down when in office.". It's wrapped up in a nice litte package, and we will hear a few of them saying things like that, then they will talk about Romney's tax returns and legitimate rape and we can go back to real non-issues
 
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MG1968 said:
and the republicans can trumpet that the DNC made no accommodation for mothers at the convention site. Meaning no children would be allowed on the floor and no on-site childcare facilities would be provided.

which would get a bigger reaction?

Women’s group slams DNC for not providing child care | CharlotteObserver.com
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Which one do you think is worse? Like i said. i think they are all full of ****, but watching them refuse to seat a group for daring to engage in the process burned me up yesterday.
 
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