Official Jon Gruden Thread II (merged)

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If you want to bash him for not being smart in drafting and free agency in Tampa (which I still think falls on the GM), you have to give him credit for building a Super Bowl team in Oakland. Where were they when he took over? Where were they when he left?

He HAND PICKED bruce allen to help him run the bucs and they destroyed the salary cap my bucs had
 
Here is Red and my 2 dudes in the 3rd.
I'm getting tired of going to games I know we're going to lose.
 

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So you're saying the monte/dungy defense wouldn't have beaten the raiders in the SB???

I am saying a Gruden would have beat Dungy. And I like how you put Monte before Dungy. The Tampa D was stout, but the Raider D wasn't bad either. I believe they were ranked between 5-10 in the league, and the Raider offense was much better.
 
Fonz at 12:14 a.m. you posted your first post in the thread. You have stated for people to look back and see that you have not attacked anyone, that it was all in print,

I rest my case.

If you read my exact post I said I didn't start the personal attacks. The girlfriends remark was just me classifying a group of posters, not you specifically as an individual. My comment was attempted humor. However, please accept my apology if you took it personally.

Now, can we get back to the discussion? Did you happen to see my other post addressed to you asking for this "proof" you cited? If not, let me know and I will repost.

Thanks.
 
If you read my exact post I said I didn't start the personal attacks. The girlfriends remark was just me classifying a group of posters, not you specifically as an individual. My comment was attempted humor. However, please accept my apology if you took it personally.

Now, can we get back to the discussion? Did you happen to see my other post addressed to you asking for this "proof" you cited? If not, let me know and I will repost.

Thanks.

What are we discussing?
 
I am saying a Gruden would have beat Dungy. And I like how you put Monte before Dungy. The Tampa D was stout, but the Raider D wasn't bad either. I believe they were ranked between 5-10 in the league, and the Raider offense was much better.

WOW :no: you do realize that the bucs picked off gannon 5 times and returned 3 of those for scores...the bucs defense scored as many points as the raiders offense...and the 6 of the raiders points came from a blocked punt that was returned
 
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