Official Jon Gruden Thread XIV

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GonzoforCuonzo said:
I believe that I have hit the wall. May Tarzan swing into Knoxville with a horde of sticky bananas soon. If not, then let Pumba kick Red Wolf straight in the plums and Mustafa step in and right things in the kingdom.

The peasants shall rejoice in the kingdom of Neyland once more in the 2013th year of our lord.

Make sure hargis gets the scoop on Barney, Gomer, etc.

With that I bid you good morrow and may your sticky bananas, plums, and peaches be pleased.
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I am glad I checked my phone again. I am printing this out and hanging it on my desk.
 
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VFLBerg said:
Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I just spoke with Charlie Strong, there was NO interview with Tennessee today folks, zero. He is entertaining OV's in Louisville..


Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I also spoke to Charlie three times yesterday folks...He says there was no interview yesterday or today.....Not sure what else to say.
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Very intersting
 
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Liper said:
Hope so. But we may have missed a heck of an opportunity here. I learned some more tonight, and we were close man, very close.
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Im sure dave hart isnt stupid. I mean he is AD at one of the top athletic schools in the country for christ's sake. But u gotta admit that a fourth grader could handle this better than its being done by him. And dont forget about the genius he relieved from that position. I mean c'mon whats it gonna hurt to at least say "we are happy with the search so far", or "we continue to look for the right coach", or something without giving away the name if its still a secret. But the recruits dead time is fast approaching and last i checked we werent even the top class in our own state....damn, never thot i'd say that.
 
#6,255
#6,255
I think if we haven't talked to Strong, either we're going after big names that are not JG, or we already have Jon Gruden. The whole New York City Summit crap just seems way too desperate and last minute.
 
#6,256
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VFLBerg said:
Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I just spoke with Charlie Strong, there was NO interview with Tennessee today folks, zero. He is entertaining OV's in Louisville..


Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I also spoke to Charlie three times yesterday folks...He says there was no interview yesterday or today.....Not sure what else to say.
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Higdon or Hubbs doesn't know what they are talking about since both are reporting completely different stories.
 
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#6,257
BruinVol said:
That's where my money is at the moment. I think hart is going to do sexton a favor by interviewing fisher and getting him his facility upgrades from FSU before announcing anything.
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Does anyone think that Hart is willing to do Sexton any favors after he tried to sabotage the negotiations with Gruden the other day by leaking the Browns part of the deal to WREG? Seems to me like retribution of some kind would be coming from Hart. Not saying they won't deal, just betting that Hart isn't jumping to do Sexton a solid.

Also, not a shot, just an honest question.
 
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VFLBerg said:
Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I just spoke with Charlie Strong, there was NO interview with Tennessee today folks, zero. He is entertaining OV's in Louisville..


Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I also spoke to Charlie three times yesterday folks...He says there was no interview yesterday or today.....Not sure what else to say.
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Red Wolf is apparently just not doing sh&$ and saying don't worry I've got this.
 
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Liper said:
Hope so. But we may have missed a heck of an opportunity here. I learned some more tonight, and we were close man, very close.
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Been on VN for almost 5 years now...I don't post much, but I lurk A LOT. I don't think I have ever run across any of your posts before seeing them in this thread.

Wish I had.

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your info with us and hanging out on this thread. If you're ever passing through the Cumberland Plateau I'd be happy to buy you a beer and talk Vols football.

Having said that, I don't know that I want to know how close we were...might make it just that much more disappointing.
 
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I've been watching these threads and the coaching developments for a week. This is what I've learned:

1. We are not the great program we were in 2001 or even the good program we were when we fired the coach who brought us to greatness. You know the one - he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame monday.

2. As a coaching destination, we are a notch above Kentucky but we think we are Alabama. I don't care how many connections JG has, Logic wouldn't allow a suggestion he is going to cast his lot with us.

3. I love our fan base. We are the 12 year old who is not giving up on the idea of Santa or a sticky banana or tarzan or whatever the hell you all are talking about.

4. Dooley and Hamilton have set this program back so far that recruits think Vandy is the preeminent state program.

5. Fulmer's success was based on fabulous recruiting and great assistants. We cannot win without a "special" recruiter.

6. Dave Hart may be impressive but we need a Tennessee guy somewhere in the mix. (cheek is the opposite of impressive and doesnt know what a first down is). We cannot be put in a position of doubting the motives of those empowered to make this hire.

7. Finally, Gruden's coming - soon. I believe.
 
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EZE said:
If they don't name a coach by next weekend, then all bets are on. The next week will tell the story.

If UT and Gruden ever were in serious negotiations, UT might be bluffing a little bit here. For a deal to get done at this point, it is going to take some final concessions from the Gruden camp. The problem there is the pompous azz agent. And, it is an even bigger problem here because that agent has lots of experience negotiating NFL deals but I don't think he has any college experience. So, he doesn't know what is reasonable and what isn't.

If Gruden truly wants the job, he will tell his agent to turn the volume down a bit and get it done. If not, we will have a different coach.
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I didn't get the impression the agent was the problem. Never mentioned.
 
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VFLBerg said:
Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I just spoke with Charlie Strong, there was NO interview with Tennessee today folks, zero. He is entertaining OV's in Louisville..


Jason Higdon ‏@Jason_Higdon
I also spoke to Charlie three times yesterday folks...He says there was no interview yesterday or today.....Not sure what else to say.
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Good...hope we keep it that way
 
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pondr said:
Been on VN for almost 5 years now...I don't post much, but I lurk A LOT. I don't think I have ever run across any of your posts before seeing them in this thread.

Wish I had.

Just wanted to say thanks for sharing your info with us and hanging out on this thread. If you're ever passing through the Cumberland Plateau I'd be happy to buy you a beer and talk Vols football.

Having said that, I don't know that I want to know how close we were...might make it just that much more disappointing.
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100%. Thanks for sharing, Liper.
 
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why doesnt ut just use a smoke screen press conference like naming jim chaney interm coach for the time being, that will really settle rumors i think. then they have alot of time but i wouldnt expect it more then two weeks. sounds like an idea. i dont think the tenn alumni realize how much of a problem there gonna have with gruden not being named head coach.
 
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TrickedupVOL said:
I've been watching these threads and the coaching developments for a week. This is what I've learned:

1. We are not the great program we were in 2001 or even the good program we were when we fired the coach who brought us to greatness. You know the one - he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame monday.

2. As a coaching destination, we are a notch above Kentucky but we think we are Alabama. I don't care how many connections JG has, Logic wouldn't allow a suggestion he is going to cast his lot with us.

3. I love our fan base. We are the 12 year old who is not giving up on the idea of Santa or a sticky banana or tarzan or whatever the hell you all are talking about.

4. Dooley and Hamilton have set this program back so far that recruits think Vandy is the preeminent state program.

5. Fulmer's success was based on fabulous recruiting and great assistants. We cannot win without a "special" recruiter.

6. Dave Hart may be impressive but we need a Tennessee guy somewhere in the mix. (cheek is the opposite of impressive and doesnt know what a first down is). We cannot be put in a position of doubting the motives of those empowered to make this hire.

7. Finally, Gruden's coming - soon. I believe.
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****. FFers learned the lingo, codeword changes pronto.
 
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Vol-in-Bham said:
What is up with all this negativity? For reals?

Where's Smokey when I need her?

We didn't fire Dooley before the meaningless Kentucky game, free up $18 million from donation to academics, and keep the local media locked out (literally absolutely in the dark) of the search for 1.5 weeks to go get some shmuck.

And Dave Hart hasn't been sitting on his rear doing nothing the last week without a darn good reason. If he is just starting the search this week/next he should be fired immediately. Everyone knows that. (And if he didn't plan to start the search this week, Dooley would coach vs. Kentucky. No reason to start the coach search timer sooner than necessary, right?)

The TFP report was too close to the truth, so Lamonte had to shut it down hard and fast for CJG to get whatever payment he is waiting on (ESPN, TB, whatever). The statement stings, but it doesn't shut the door. Not even close. It is very carefully worded.

Jon Gruden has too many ties to UT, has helped out at camps, is married to a UT alum whose family still lives in the area. The strong statement by the agent doesn't jive with this. If he were turning it down he would have done it in a much more polite, press release kind of way. It just doesn't jive.

He's awkwardly dismissed one rumor, but shut the conversation down quickly.

Hart isn't an idiot unlike what some here believe. Sure, he went to Bama, but are we forgetting he was the AD at Florida State for 12 years? He's been in major programs. He knows how to run a search. And he isn't dumb enough to go full bore against the big money because the big money will bail on him.

Big money runs college athletics. If -- and this is an if -- there is a group of large, influential boosters that want Gruden hired, it will be done. These people are billionaires and millionaires. They have run successful businesses and they know what it takes to turn around a business. And UT football is a struggling business right now. They understand revenues, marketing, drawing in customers (butts in seats), and so forth. They understand we were in a tough spot, so you hire the recent graduate with the MBA to stabilize your business. But recent grads with limited experience can only do so much. It's time for a new manager, one that will grow the business to the next level.

The silence from the AD is deafening and telling. Again, these are smart business people. Image and PR are a huge chunk of this. You don't let Gruden rumors hit the national stage to the point that every fan local or not is thinking we're going after him, if we aren't going after him. You would snuff that rumor out immediately.

If Hart supposedly soured the deal -- he knows his days at UT are over. Do you really think he is that dumb? He didn't survive 12 years at FSU being that dumb. You don't fight the power brokers when they are your boss. You have no leverage. Period.

This all, every last bit of it, seems to jive with what the OGs reported: done deal, lots of names will pop up, lots of misdirection, potential delays, and Hart saves the day.

So take a deep breath and hang tight. The water gets choppy on the way to paradise. Deny, deny, deny, then boom. It might take a few weeks. It might take until the end of MNF. Who knows. It won't matter because we'll still flip recruits. And that's a fact.

I'm all in until there is some other schmuck standing next to Dave Hart at a press conference being announced as coach.
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Quoting myself for the night crew that missed it this morning.

With the addition of: if Hart really was pissed about the end around by the boosters, why did he go ahead and fire Dooley before Kentucky like, presumably, the booster's wanted? If didn't have his guy, he would have waited until after Kentucky to start the coaching search clock. (And him being super pissed goes against part of his press conference where he talks about this search taking many people, I believe.)

If you take what Slice is saying about the money from the boosters is only for this one hire for the most part, and it hasn't been returned from escrow, I'd say I feel pretty good about our odds.

But I guess I'm just being delusional. :crazy:
 
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TrickedupVOL said:
I've been watching these threads and the coaching developments for a week. This is what I've learned:

1. We are not the great program we were in 2001 or even the good program we were when we fired the coach who brought us to greatness. You know the one - he's being inducted into the Hall of Fame monday.

2. As a coaching destination, we are a notch above Kentucky but we think we are Alabama. I don't care how many connections JG has, Logic wouldn't allow a suggestion he is going to cast his lot with us.

3. I love our fan base. We are the 12 year old who is not giving up on the idea of Santa or a sticky banana or tarzan or whatever the hell you all are talking about.

4. Dooley and Hamilton have set this program back so far that recruits think Vandy is the preeminent state program.

5. Fulmer's success was based on fabulous recruiting and great assistants. We cannot win without a "special" recruiter.

6. Dave Hart may be impressive but we need a Tennessee guy somewhere in the mix. (cheek is the opposite of impressive and doesnt know what a first down is). We cannot be put in a position of doubting the motives of those empowered to make this hire.

7. Finally, Gruden's coming - soon. I believe.
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Glad to see you have a Grude-on.

Hope it's not too late. Welcome aboard!
 
#6,275
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I have about had it with all things UT except the baseball Vols!

I am being told that the deal with Gruden was so close but it has fallen by the wayside!!

How can UT be so stupid and arrogant to let this opportunity go by??? There isn't a college program in the country that would pass on the opp to hire Gruden if they had the resources well every program but UT!!!

This is unreal!!! Gruden is hottest name out there now! He would light up recruiting like a freaking casino! I doubt that Hart is as astute as some on here are saying. And if Hart screwed the deal up I hope he is relieved of his duties ASAP.
 
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